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So then in your understanding the earth becomes heaven, rather than having a separate and new heaven and new earth?

I'm not trying to argue here, just trying to see where you're coming from.

Well it ain't Old Earth. Heaven comes down and we live there, the capital city of Heaven called New Jerusalem, coming and going, to and fro, fulfilling the duties of ruling with Christ. Busy, busy, busy!

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According to the Word of God, Heaven's measurements, taken by an angel, are 12,000 stadia, which is about 1400 miles long, and wide AND HIGH! Given in man's terminology of measurement, we must assume it is a literal place. God can say nothing else to convince us, could He? He is good at being plain when He wants to be!


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John 14:2 is incorrectly translated as "mansions." Please read my posting above regarding this!

The Father's house is His household, it is His family, composed of all the redeemed, regenerated, blood-washed, spirit regenerated believers. These believers are each individually the abodes indwelt by the Father, Son and Spirit - the Triune God (v. 23). The Lord's "going to prepare a place" refers directly to His death and resurrection - which is the subject of His discourse!

The "mansions" interpretation has done nothing for Christians over the centuries but cater to the vain and fleshly imaginings of the mind.

How wonderful it will be in eternity for us to live in mansions of splendor, eat feasts of rich and delectible foods, play our favorite games and engage in our favorite earthly pasttime activities, for thousands of years! (???)

Feh.

What about Jesus?

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It is most ridiculous to argue that the saints are the mansions that Jesus spoke of.

Let's read John 14:1-3 in the manner you speak of:

"In my Fathers house [the Father Himself] are many mansions [saints]: if it were not so, I would have told you [mansions]. I go to prepare a place [saints] for you [mansions], I will come again, and recieve you [mansions] unto myself; that where I am, there ye [mansions] may be also."

Does this make any sense at all? Cretainly not.


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poohey and double poohey,

I have an earthly tabernacle now wherein the spirit of God resides in my earthen vessel of clay my body and I abide in Him and He in me on this earth. But my earthly tabernacle will perish at my death and I shall take up my new residence in the heavenly tabernacle the New Jerusalem where I have a permenant place prepared for me. Your teachings only tears away at one's faith and does nothing to build up believers. I don't agree with your assessments.

The textus receptus is the only correct translation in which you and I do not have a copy of that being the case I will stick to the fact that you are implying that I cannot rely on the word nor interpret it because it is not properly translated and is only doing harm to us poor believers who can't understand the word of God. As I have said you are only hurting the faith of others in holding to this flawed intelluctual teaching of yours. I do not wish to argue with you but you are way out there on this one.

OC

I have implied nothing about your understanding or your ability to interpret the Word. Why do you feel compelled to draw conclusions as to what my "implications" are? John 14 is abundantly clear to any reader who has an ear to hear what the Lord has to say. Have you nothing to say regarding the author's point other than "phoohey"?


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According to the Word of God, Heaven's measurements, taken by an angel, are 12,000 stadia, which is about 1400 miles long, and wide AND HIGH! Given in man's terminology of measurement, we must assume it is a literal place. God can say nothing else to convince us, could He? He is good at being plain when He wants to be!

Why have you not once answered me regarding the subject of John's statement in Rev. 1:1, that all the things he saw were given as signs?


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John 14:2 is incorrectly translated as "mansions." Please read my posting above regarding this!

The Father's house is His household, it is His family, composed of all the redeemed, regenerated, blood-washed, spirit regenerated believers. These believers are each individually the abodes indwelt by the Father, Son and Spirit - the Triune God (v. 23). The Lord's "going to prepare a place" refers directly to His death and resurrection - which is the subject of His discourse!

The "mansions" interpretation has done nothing for Christians over the centuries but cater to the vain and fleshly imaginings of the mind.

How wonderful it will be in eternity for us to live in mansions of splendor, eat feasts of rich and delectible foods, play our favorite games and engage in our favorite earthly pasttime activities, for thousands of years! (???)

Feh.

What about Jesus?

_______________________________________________

It is most ridiculous to argue that the saints are the mansions that Jesus spoke of.

Let's read John 14:1-3 in the manner you speak of:

"In my Fathers house [the Father Himself] are many mansions [saints]: if it were not so, I would have told you [mansions]. I go to prepare a place [saints] for you [mansions], I will come again, and recieve you [mansions] unto myself; that where I am, there ye [mansions] may be also."

Does this make any sense at all? Cretainly not.

Especially since that's not anything close to what I stated. I never suggested that you read John 14:1-3 in this way at all!

You should go back and re-read my posts on this subject.


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John 14:2 is incorrectly translated as "mansions." Please read my posting above regarding this!

The Father's house is His household, it is His family, composed of all the redeemed, regenerated, blood-washed, spirit regenerated believers. These believers are each individually the abodes indwelt by the Father, Son and Spirit - the Triune God (v. 23). The Lord's "going to prepare a place" refers directly to His death and resurrection - which is the subject of His discourse!

The "mansions" interpretation has done nothing for Christians over the centuries but cater to the vain and fleshly imaginings of the mind.

How wonderful it will be in eternity for us to live in mansions of splendor, eat feasts of rich and delectible foods, play our favorite games and engage in our favorite earthly pasttime activities, for thousands of years! (???)

Feh.

What about Jesus?

_______________________________________________

It is most ridiculous to argue that the saints are the mansions that Jesus spoke of.

Let's read John 14:1-3 in the manner you speak of:

"In my Fathers house [the Father Himself] are many mansions [saints]: if it were not so, I would have told you [mansions]. I go to prepare a place [saints] for you [mansions], I will come again, and recieve you [mansions] unto myself; that where I am, there ye [mansions] may be also."

Does this make any sense at all? Cretainly not.

Especially since that's not anything close to what I stated. I never suggested that you read John 14:1-3 in this way at all!

You should go back and re-read my posts on this subject.

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Really, should I?

What's this?

"John 14:2 is incorrectly translated as "mansions." Please read my posting above regarding this!

The Father's house is His household, it is His family, composed of all the redeemed, regenerated, blood-washed, spirit regenerated believers."

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Hazard,

I will not entertain a discussion in which my statements are twisted into a straw man and then attacked.

Please be so kind as to brush up on your fallacies: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html


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According to the Word of God, Heaven's measurements, taken by an angel, are 12,000 stadia, which is about 1400 miles long, and wide AND HIGH! Given in man's terminology of measurement, we must assume it is a literal place. God can say nothing else to convince us, could He? He is good at being plain when He wants to be!

Why have you not once answered me regarding the subject of John's statement in Rev. 1:1, that all the things he saw were given as signs?

Yes they were signs but not without interpretation as the angel of the Lord made known the visions and interpretations to John as the angel of the Lord showed him these things or else he could not have written them down and we wouldn't be in this thread talking about them right now. Your interpretation is what I am questioning.

OC


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John 14:2 is incorrectly translated as "mansions." Please read my posting above regarding this!

The Father's house is His household, it is His family, composed of all the redeemed, regenerated, blood-washed, spirit regenerated believers. These believers are each individually the abodes indwelt by the Father, Son and Spirit - the Triune God (v. 23). The Lord's "going to prepare a place" refers directly to His death and resurrection - which is the subject of His discourse!

The "mansions" interpretation has done nothing for Christians over the centuries but cater to the vain and fleshly imaginings of the mind.

How wonderful it will be in eternity for us to live in mansions of splendor, eat feasts of rich and delectible foods, play our favorite games and engage in our favorite earthly pasttime activities, for thousands of years! (???)

Feh.

What about Jesus?

_______________________________________________

It is most ridiculous to argue that the saints are the mansions that Jesus spoke of.

Let's read John 14:1-3 in the manner you speak of:

"In my Fathers house [the Father Himself] are many mansions [saints]: if it were not so, I would have told you [mansions]. I go to prepare a place [saints] for you [mansions], I will come again, and recieve you [mansions] unto myself; that where I am, there ye [mansions] may be also."

Does this make any sense at all? Cretainly not.

I agree with you it "Certainly does not make any sense and poor interpretation at that.

:thumbsup:

OC

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