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If the righteous go directly to heaven when they die, where do the wicked go?

Do they go directly to hell?

and if so, why the resurection of the wicked?


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If the righteous go directly to heaven when they die, where do the wicked go?

Do they go directly to hell?

and if so, why the resurection of the wicked?

They go where the dead without Christ go...to Hades, Sheol. The resurrection of the wicked is for the purpose to stand physically before God and take His judgment. You can't stand before the Holy God and live without having an imperishable body!


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If the righteous go directly to heaven when they die, where do the wicked go?

Do they go directly to hell?

and if so, why the resurection of the wicked?

They go where the dead without Christ go...to Hades, Sheol. The resurrection of the wicked is for the purpose to stand physically before God and take His judgment. You can't stand before the Holy God and live without having an imperishable body!

so what is your definition of hades, sheol?


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i agree with floating axe. the unbelieving dead go to hades/sheol.

hades/sheol - this is a realm of the dead. i dont believe anyone is in hell untill the judgement when God sends them there.

hell is a place of eternal punishment created by God.


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i agree with floating axe. the unbelieving dead go to hades/sheol.

hades/sheol - this is a realm of the dead. i dont believe anyone is in hell untill the judgement when God sends them there.

hell is a place of eternal punishment created by God.

H7585

שׁאל שׁאול

she'ôl she'ôl

sheh-ole', sheh-ole'

From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit.

(This compares hades and sheol as the same as hell....THE GRAVE)

what do you think about this passage below?

Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul5315 in hell;7585 neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

H5315

נפשׁ

nephesh

neh'-fesh

From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.

First...YOU ARE A SOUL

Second...Hell is the Grave

Do you see that the above passage is saying that God will not leave us(righteous) in Hell (the grave)?

Jesus was in hell! look here....

Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul5590 was not left in hell,86 neither his flesh did see corruption.g1312

G86

ᾅδης

hadēs

hah'-dace

From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is,


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i agree with floating axe. the unbelieving dead go to hades/sheol.

hades/sheol - this is a realm of the dead. i dont believe anyone is in hell untill the judgement when God sends them there.

hell is a place of eternal punishment created by God.

H7585

שׁאל שׁאול

she'ôl she'ôl

sheh-ole', sheh-ole'

From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit.

(This compares hades and sheol as the same as hell....THE GRAVE)

what do you think about this passage below?

Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul5315 in hell;7585 neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

H5315

נפשׁ

nephesh

neh'-fesh

From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.

First...YOU ARE A SOUL

Second...Hell is the Grave

Do you see that the above passage is saying that God will not leave us(righteous) in Hell (the grave)?

Jesus was in hell! look here....

Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul5590 was not left in hell,86 neither his flesh did see corruption.g1312

G86

ᾅδης

hadēs

hah'-dace

From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is,


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to be totally honest im not sure about this subject it is quite new to me.

however, where you have hell in these passages the translations differ a bit. im not too sure both hades and sheol should be translated as hell.

my previous understanding of the psalm passage is that God will not 'abandon us to sheol' (some translations) basically we dont go to the realm of the dead we are raised instantly to be with Him[Christ]. luke 24:43 and the bit where it says 'i would rather depart and be with Christ' suggesting being with Christ cannot mean 'sleep' as unconsciousness sleep is surely worse than our current imperfect state of being with Christ.

and of the acts passage, Jesus went to 'hell'? one view i have heard (not sure where) is that Jesus went to 'Abrahams bossom' where OT believers were and took this 'compartment' of hades to heaven. one passage quoted again im not sure which is that someone (who was dead) looked up and saw abraham and wanted to be with him but was unable. hence the different compartments of sheol/hades.

again i am new to this subject (be kind ;) )

does anyone have any good sources for translations?


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There are five departments in the underworld of departed Spirits. Not one of these places is associated with or is the grave where bodies are buried, and not one place is called Purgatory.

One). Paradise; In Luke 16:19-31; 23:43, we have pictured total comfort and water in this prison because the rich man saw Lazarus afar off in comfort and bliss and asked him to dip his finger in water and cool his tongue (Luke 16:19-31). This was the abode of the righteous souls from Adam after dying and leaving their bodies, being held captive by the devil against their wills till Christ's death and resurrection (Heb. 2:14-15; Eph. 4:7-11). Before Jesus Christ conqured the power of death and Hell, the devil had these powers. (Col. 2:14-17; Heb. 2:14-15; Rev. 1:18).

It was into this prison the repentant thief went with Christ the day they both died (Luke 23:43). This prison is located in the heart of the Earth as is clear from Matt. 12:40 and Eph. 4:7-11. Jesus not only went into this prison but He also went into another prison, "Tartarus," and preached to the fallen angels being held there in their own special prison. Jesus having conqured Hell and death and the grave during His crucifiction and during the three days He was in the underworld, He captured all the righteous souls that were in Paradise and took them to Heaven when He ascended on high (Eph. 4:7-11). Jesus now has the keys to Hell and death (Rev. 1:18).

Two). Tartarus; This prison is the special prison for the fallen angels that sinned both before and after the flood. There is nothing recorded in Scripture that teaches demons or human beings ever go into this prison. In these passages it is clear that there is a real Hell that is not the grave and that Spirit beings are confined in chains until judgment (1 Pet. 3:19; 2 Pet. 2:4; Jude 6-7).

Three). Hell itself; (Matt. 16:18; Luke 16:19-31). This is the torment part in the unseen world and was, still is, and will yet be the abode of all the wicked souls and spirits of men from Able to the end of the Millennium. Then, at this time all the wicked will be liberated out of this prison and will be given their own immortal bodies and be judged before being cast into the "lake of fire" forever (Rev. 20:11-15; 21:8).

Four). The Bottomless Pit or Abyss is the abode or prison of demons and certain angelic beings. No human being is ever thrown into the abyss. It is a very deep chasm in the lower parts of the Earth. It is translated "deep" (Luke 8:26-31; Romans 10:7) and "Bottomless Pit" in Rev. 9:1-3, 11; 11:7; 17:8; 20:1-10). All these Scriptures prove that there are prisons in the lower parts of the Earth for departed sinning spirits, and they are not and could never be the same as a grave on the surface of the Earth.

And Five). The Lake of Fire, is the eternal Hell and perdition of wicked men, demons, fallen angels, and all rebellious creatures of all ages who have ever rebelled against God, and who have refused to repent when they could have. It is called "The Gehenna of Fire" and is always translated Hell (Matt. 5:22, 29, 30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15, 33; Mark 9:43-45, 47; Luke 12:5; James 3:6). This prison is also called "the second death, which is the lake of fire" (Rev. 2:11; 20:6, 14). This final Hell was prepared for the devil and all his angels (Matt. 25:41-46), and for all other rebells, and it is ETERNAL in duration (Rev. 14:9-14; 20:10-15; Isa. 66:22-24; Matt. 25:46). There is no record in Scripture of anyone being the lake of fire at present. Scripture does show that the beast and the false prophet will be the first to be cast into it. This will happen before the Millennium (Rev. 19:20). They will still be there 1,000 years later when the devil and all other rebells will be cast into it (Rev. 20:10-15).

Scripture shows that there will be degrees of punishment in Hell as far as remorse and torment of the conscience is concerned (Matt. 10:15; 11:22; 12:41; 23:14; Mark 6:11; 12:40; Luke 10:14; 11:31, 32; 20:47). These degrees of punishment will be because of the kind of sins comitted by one that were not comitted by another. No man will be punished or could have remorse over something he did not do. They will all regret rebelling against God and man and failing to believe in Jesus, and repenting of sin.

All the pet theories of men, the traditions of churches, and the ideas and teachings of false teachers and preachers can never change the Word of God.


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If the righteous go directly to heaven when they die, where do the wicked go?

Do they go directly to hell?

and if so, why the resurection of the wicked?

They go where the dead without Christ go...to Hades, Sheol. The resurrection of the wicked is for the purpose to stand physically before God and take His judgment. You can't stand before the Holy God and live without having an imperishable body!

Amen to that axe :emot-hug:

Now to the question.......do they go straight to hell? Well let's see what Jesus says about that.

Luke 16:19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'

27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'

30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'

31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

Well it looks like Jesus says that they go straight there after death.

Praise God let's try to snatched as many as we can from the fire! :emot-hug:


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Those that have not accepted Jesus Christ and are Lost when they die go to hell to be tormented until the day

of judgement. They dont get any relief from the torment of hell even for the judgement.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which

were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

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