Worthy News: Religious Broadcaster Pat Robertson Predicts Horrific Ter

[David H.]

Actually, the standard of the New teatament prophet is not the same as the O.T. prophet or seer.

And what Bible did you read that in? God decided, did he, tthat the gold standard was just too tough and was keeping a lot of mediocre prophets from their opportunity to confuse? So, someplace in the fourth Book of Hesitation, he said that he was going to lower the bar so more people could practise until they get good at it?

The new testament prophet brings prophecy.

And this is a break-through from what the Old Testament prophets did?

Intercession goes up, Strongholds are broken, and events are avoided.

Actually, I think strongholds are forged because a lot of pure baloney had entered the church through this basement door.

This does not mean the prophet is false, this means his message was heeded and the situation was avoided.

Ah, the ol' familiar safety valve of modern false prophets. It's a very handy one because it guarantees they are ALWAYS correct. Because any time something doesn't happen it was because people were forewarned and prayed about it. The only problem with that is there is no biblical example of that EVER happening.

Whoa! You scream, what about Jonah and Ninevah. Oh, Ninevah. Let's see, Ninevah and city whose ungodly ways made the Unites States look like a candidate for canonization as a saint, ALL repented. It would be like the 300,000,000 people of the United States all hearing one prophet and ALL repenting. Or let's just keep it to city size: It would be like New Orleans ALL repenting. They didn't merely "pray the event away." Rubbish. They repented. That's what prophecy is for. God states that ANY time a people repents of the evil he said he would destroy them for, he will relent. Repentance is one thing. Praying things away has no biblical precedence at all.

The only way a prophet can predict something will happen to the U.S. and be wrong and still be a true prophet is if he predicts the coming thing is God's judgment for U.S. sin and the whole U.S. (or controlling majority, at least) repents, and the nation stops that sin. You cannot ever "pray it away." Find me a single bible example, New Testament or Old, where people prayed something away, other than by repentance? And it has to be the people who are doing the sins who repent, because "repentance" doesn't mean "saying your sorry," it means turning away from your sins. So, you cannot repent for someone else's sins and save the U.S.

--Knave Dave

Edited January 5, 2007 by David Haggith

[nebula]

What I remember from last years word was that he kept mixing what he received from the Lord and his own interpretation of it. The definate word was the coasts being battered by storme - which they were. The tsunami was clearly "possibly" - meaning it was his interpretatio and not the actual word. I'm not sure about the hurricanes, though.

Hopefully, he will learn to keep his interpretations out. For instance, the "nuclear" aspect of attacks was his own speculation, which he admitted as such. I wish he wouldn't confuse the issue with that. He got the word "attacks"; he should leave it at that.

All I have to say is the same thing I do when anyone makes such a claim, wait and see. I will be watching to see if his predictions come to pass before making any judgements about Roberson and his ministry.

Right-o. I'll be keeping my eyes open for the moving of God in the first six months - in the world-wide scene, of course.

Again, thank you Nebula for sharing the information with us. I have been wanting to check out the comments ever since I heard about them. I am not going to make judgements about any ministry based on the reports from the news media.

You're welcome!

*****

If nothing else, seeking humility and seeking righteousness are always good words. That part can't be knocked.

[nebula]

The only way a prophet can predict something will happen to the U.S. and be wrong and still be a true prophet is if he predicts the coming thing is God's judgment for U.S. sin and the whole U.S. (or controlling majority, at least) repents, and the nation stops that sin. You cannot ever "pray it away." Find me a single bible example, New Testament or Old, where people prayed something away, other than by repentance? And it has to be the people who are doing the sins who repent, because "repentance" doesn't mean "saying your sorry," it means turning away from your sins. So, you cannot repent for someone else's sins and save the U.S.

Woah - guys.

We're losing focus.

This wasn't the attitude Abraham had towards Sodom when the Lord told him He was going to destroy it. Abraham moved to intercede, not for the unrighteous but for the righteous (probably specifically his nephew and family!).

Are we going to sit here pointing fingers at the ungodly and the deceived, or are we going to pray and intercede?

Which would please the Lord?

Are we pleasing the Lord in this debate?

I do't know what to make of prophetic words these days. But we shouldn't be sitting here like a bunch of monkeys throwing vomit and poo and each other like this.

[Floatingaxe]

I think everyone that does not like Pat should just not watch him. Pay him no attention, then you will not have anything to fusChristian s and complain about. People I do not like, I do not watch or listen to. I have more to do than watch people I disagree with just so I would have something to complain about.

Indeed, I think some of you guys should stop making such a fuss over a little thing like false prophets? Who did they ever hurt? Especially if they're nice.

The problem is God did not appoint you or I the false prophet police. Pat Robertson has led more souls to Jesus Christ than you or I, so maybe you should just give him the benefit of the doubt.

One of my friends was saved a few weeks ago watching Pat. Because of Pat, he will spend eternity in Heaven, not hell. Tell him how awful Pat is. I guess you would rather the people he leads to Salvation burn in Hell because you do not agree with him.

Pat, just as any Christian is not perfect, but He has a genuine love for God and passion for winning the lost. Many "christians" on here have a passion for tearing down, degrading, and judging their fellow believer. Pat wins souls, how about you?

I do not openly find fault with other preachers. There are some I do not agree with and personally do not like, but I keep it to myself. Sure, there are some I do not care for, but my time can be much better spend spreading the gospel than gossiping about fellow ministers of the gospel. Who knows, if I publically attacked them, it might cause just one person to not be receptive to the message of salvation they preach. It is not worth risking souls spend eternity in Hell because I personally disagree with a minister.

God takes care of business. Baker, Swaggart, came out in the wash. In God's due time, He took care the situation. Just think, how many people did Swaggart lead to God despite his faults? Despite his faults, he led multitudes to salvation.

Whoohoooo!

[Floatingaxe]

Actually, I am more than willing to hold him accountable if he misses these predictions. The only reason I have been defending him, is that I have looked at the evidence that was used against him to this point, and found it to be wrong. I know what the Bible says about false prophets, so if his predictions fail to come to pass, I will not defend him from that point forward. At the same time, I do think that those who are calling him a false prophet and a liar are wrong. They are doing so with no substantial evidence. Surely, if I can be willing to acknowledge him as a false prophet if his predictions don't occur by year's end, the critics of Roberson can bite their tongue and stop falsely accusing him in the meantime.

Actually, the standard of the New teatament prophet is not the same as the O.T. prophet or seer. The new testament prophet brings prophecy. Intercession goes up, Strongholds are broken, and events are avoided. This does not mean the prophet is false, this means his message was heeded and the situation was avoided. Now, the church has heard Robertsons prophecy, it begins to intercede and pray God's shield of protection upon our nation. God protects our nation from Satans attack. Does that make the prophet false? No, it makes the prophet effective in saving a land from ravages of Satan.

YES!!

[David H.]

This wasn't the attitude Abraham had towards Sodom when the Lord told him He was going to destroy it. Abraham moved to intercede, not for the unrighteous but for the righteous (probably specifically his nephew and family!).

And God didn't buy it.

[nebula]

This wasn't the attitude Abraham had towards Sodom when the Lord told him He was going to destroy it. Abraham moved to intercede, not for the unrighteous but for the righteous (probably specifically his nephew and family!).

And God didn't buy it.

Is this what you learned from the account?

[nebula]

nebula said

Anyway, I went to CBN's website, and I downloaded the Jan. 1st broadcast, where this word was given.

Near the beginning he said, "If I'm hearing the Lord right..." Take that as you will. When he spoke, it wasn't with an attitude of arrogance or bold thus saith the Lord. Concerning the evil disasters, he even said, "I hope I'm wrong."

Yep, "If I'm hearing the Lord right...."

There's a big clue, a tip.

Either you hear the Lord or you don't, no if's and's or but's.

Makes an exciting, suspensful TV show, tho that keeps its audience interest and keeps the money coming in.

Have you ever heard from the Lord? Have you ever prayed for someone and got an image or a word or a Scripture and shared it with the person? How do youknow that's the Lord speaking to you for the person or something that just popped into your head?

Please, let me know, because I'm still trying to find confidence in hearing from the Lord.

The word for the Church is to remove the heathen influences from our lives, to seek the Lord, seek righteousness, seek humility that we may be spared the day of wrath.

Sounds like some of the things we have been saying here at Worthy. Maybe he's been monitoring Worthy boards, ya think?

This sounds like elitism. I've been guilty of it enough to recognize it. Be careful about puffing yourself or your group up like this. It isn't godly. We are just as imperfect a lot as any other.

[Floatingaxe]

When Pat Robertson says something like, "If I am hearing the Lord right", I believe he is speaking out of humility, not doubt. He knows he is a fallible human.

I know from experience that sometimes when the Lord gives a word of knowledge, that as it is filtered through one's brain matter, it can get a bit distorted, but the truth of it doesn't change! Hallelujah!

Pat is making a call for the church to come together, to beseech God, to get right with Him, to receive His full blessing as His people, and to avoid tragedy. Think: NINEVAH.

[forrestkc]

I don't think some of you guys get it. You say, "look at how many people guys like Pat Robertson have lead to God". What you don't get though is how many people they turn away from God. Most agnostics are not agnostic because of culture, many are agnostic because they are good and conscionable people, and they face the see of Christianity is guys like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and other living the life of luxury powrer hungry televangelists.

These people see guys like Pat Robertson and they think that if Christianity means living a palatial luxury the backs of donations sent in by the poor and elderly, supporting African Dictators simply because you have millions invested with them, using religion as tool to gain political power, hatemongering, and war mongering, then they don't want any part of it.

The fact is, there is a direct correlation between the rise of people like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and their associated political groups, and the decline and stagnation of Church Membership in America. They have unfortunately become the face of Christianity to many people, and because of that they have painted Christianity as something as vile to many decent and conscionable people.

Its a huge problem for us as Christians. Do you not realize that the only really growing Churches in America today are the ones that have zero affiliation with these types of guys, specifically, the Catholics and the groups like the Unitarians (and the Unitarians are note even Christian). You would think that would be a wake up call. There is nothing Christian at all about their version of Christianity. Where in the Gospels of Christ does one find justification for living a palatial life of luxury off of selling religion? That is exactly what they do. They live like royalty off of the contributions of the poor and elderly and then for the show of it, they occasionally throw a few dollars at some tax shelter aid program they set up. That is not Christian. It isn't even conscionable. Where in the Gospels of Christ does one find justification for using Christianity as a tool for political gain and gaining power and influence? That is exactly what they do. For them, Christanity is nothing but a tool to divide and cconquer To find their culture war whipping post of the day, what ever brings in the contributions. That is not Christian. It isn't even conscionable and until as Christians we solidly rebuke their greedy and divisive version of Christianity, we will continue to see them drive more and more good and decent people away from God. They don't represent the teachings of Christ, so why are we not standing up and telling the world that we are Christian and people like Pat Robertson do not represent us or our faith.