Gay Marriage or Civil Union?

[eric]

Good post, Smalcald. Most crime against society can be controlled by the law of the land, but homsexuality is free to infiltrate and destroy the fabric of an already immoral world. Some respond to christian counselling out of a desire to live normally, but the majority are anti-christian and revel in what they do.

[stevehut]

So it is not homosexuality the sin, but the politics of homosexuality that is the problem,

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How can the politics of homosexuality be a problem, if the behavior itself is not immoral?

Steve

[RustyAngeL]

Whilst we all have various opinions on the way to tackle the homosexual problem, the fact is, it remains a threat to a world that is spiralling out of control in the areas of plain and simple morality. When school children are learning that having same sex parents is normal, as smalcald, pointed out in the class rooms, and it is been foisted on to our tv as being humorous and something to be condoned I'm not talking about the the young men walking down the street holding hands.

I,m talking about their *hero* parades and the way they flaunt their lifestyle half and sometime fully naked in the streets.

Steve, here's a copy of the way you tabulated my post.

1- The severity of a sin depends on the consequences? Me no tink so.

2- Are you kidding? Gossip can (and does) ruin people's lives and reputations. When it happens to a church leader, it can indeed destroy a church.

3- Why? I thought you just agreed that sin is sin.

4- And so does any other sin, including gossip.

5- Yup. Tragic.

6- You mean just like the rest of us, before we became Christians? Ask not for whom the bell tolls, bro.

Steve

So you are saying that someone in your local church who gossips is going to have an effect on chistianty world wide.? Yes I did say that sin was sin but I also maintain there are different categories of sin. A word in the ear from the right person can stop a gossiper. try going into a big city gay bay and try and have a word in someone's ear and stand the chance of losing one of your own. You cannot lump all unsaved people into the same basket. Heaps of people who don't know the Lord are just plain lost and are open to the gospel and embrace it and accept it. But as long as the homosexal deviants are giong to be nurtured and supported by the media, audio and visual, and ALCU and half your politicians., the church, already becoming apostate, is in danger.

Witnessing to them is a one on one procedure and the ground has to laid out and prepared so the seed will germinate and take root. Homosexuality breeds paedaphilia and it is a threat to society and can't be swept under the carpet. Inviting them to church, will do nothing for them unless the pastor is doing a sermon an sin and salvation, which sadly is going out of fashion

cheers

So true. Every year in the spring Palm Springs California ( I"m about 30 miles north of that) has a gay pride weekend. Can you believe it a whole weekend. The place is crawling with them. I won't go near the place on that weekend fearing they may think I'm one of them. We are out of control.

[eric]

I don't blame you. And if any christians set up a protest aginst their activities they would be accused of hate crime. GRRrrrr.

[Smalcald]

So it is not homosexuality the sin, but the politics of homosexuality that is the problem,

?

How can the politics of homosexuality be a problem, if the behavior itself is not immoral?

Steve

I meant that the act of homosexuality is a sin no worse than any other sin. A homosexual is no worse of a sinner than myself, a homosexual is no worse than a heterosexual who has had an unbiblical divorce, or who has had sex before marriage, etc, sin is sin. However unlike other sins, homosexuality is unique in the U.S. and Europe in that it has a political interest group trying to normalize this sin. The politics of this particular sin make it unique and more dangerous.

In that way it is much like abortion, divorce or stem cell research. All are sin's but these cultural sin's have large well funded interest groups actively promoting these sins as normal, good and healthy.

[PBob]

Good post, Smalcald. Most crime against society can be controlled by the law of the land, but homsexuality is free to infiltrate and destroy the fabric of an already immoral world. Some respond to christian counselling out of a desire to live normally, but the majority are anti-christian and revel in what they do.

CHOSE THIS DAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE... AS FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST WE MUST CONTINUE TO BE LIGHT AND SALT WITH 1 CORINTHIANS 13 SURROUNDING OUR EFFORTS. CHANCES ARE THE AMOUNT OF PERSECUTION WE RECIEVE WILL BE IN DIRECT PROPORTION TO OUR EFFORTS TO DO WHAT THE LORD WOULD HAVE US DO.

WHEN A GOVERNMENT MAKES LAWS CONTRARY TO THE LAW OF GOD - WE HAVE ONLY ONE CHOICE ..GOD. WHEN MAN/GOVERNMENTS DECIDE THAT THERE IS NO GOD THEN THE LAWS MADE BY THE GOVERNMENT USUALLY END UP BEING LAWS WHICH ALLOW MEN TO DO WHAT IS "RIGHT IN THEIR OWN EYES".

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE AS FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST WILL WIN BUT THE BIBLE DESCRIBES WHAT WE CAN EXPECT IN THE LAST DAYS - IT REACHES A POINT OF SUCH PERVERSION THAT GOD HIMSELF BRINGS HIS JUDEMENT DOWN UPON (SODOM AND GAMORREAH sp?)THE WORLD. java script:add_smilie("","smid_125")

king.gif THE KING WINS.

DOES THE BATTLE BELONG TO THE LORD.? OR TO ME? EVEN NOW I WANT TO GO OUT AND PROTEST BUT AM BEGINNING TO THINK THAT THE MORE I PROTEST THE MORE THE HOMOSEXUALS PROTEST THE MORE THE PROCHOICE PEOPLE PROTEST ETC AND EVENTUALLY IF WE CONTINUE WE END UP BURNING ABORTION CLINICS AND BASHING GAYS.... OK MAYBE NOT THAT BAD BUT THE GAP GETS WIDER. I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER BUT FEEL THAT THE LORD WOULD HAVE ME WITNESS ONE ON ONE - WHO KNOWS WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IF I AM USED OF THE HOLY SPIRIT TO HARVEST JUST ONE SOUL....?

THERE WAS A TIME IN MY LIFE WHEN I PROTESTED (AS A CHRISTIAN java script:add_smilie("","smid_15")

sad.gif) IN FRONT OF AN ABORTION CLINIC. I WOULD CARRY SIGNS SAYING ABORTION WAS MURDER - LIE DOWN ON THE SIDEWALK - END UP IN JAIL AND BE RELEASED AFTER I GAVE MY NAME. ONE DAY AS I WAS PROTESTING A FRIEND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET - PROCHOICE - CAME ACROSS AND SAID TO ME SOMETHING LIKE, "BOB YOU SEE THAT YOUNG LADY OVER THERE - HER FATHER MOLESTED HER - SHE IS NOW PREGNANT - NO PLACE TO LIVE AND IN GREAT EMOTIONAL PAIN - WHY DON'T YOU AND THESE OTHER ##@@%% (BAD WORD) DO SOMETHING TO HELP HER.

I WENT HOME AND A SHORT TIME LATER MYSELF MY WIFE AND SOME OTHERS FROM OUR CHURCH AND AT LEAST ONE OTHER CHURCH FOUNDED A CRISIS PREGNANCY CENTER WHICH CONTINUES TODAY PROVIDING MEDICAL CARE, COUNSEL, FINDING HOMES FOR THESE GIRLS TO LIVE IN, ADOPTION HELP, BABY CLOTHES, ETC. QUITE A FEW BABIES ENTERED THE WORLD THAT WOULD NOT HAVE. THE LORD BLESSED US SO MUCH IN THIS THAT WE OBTAINED OFFICES RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD.

UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE MILLIONS OF ABORTIONS THAT CONTINUE TO GO ON TODAY - AS WE ALL KNOW IT IS LEGAL!!!! APPROVED BY THE GOVERNMENT AS IS HOMOSEXUALITY AND SODOMY AND WHO KNOWS WHAT IS NEXRT- EUTHANASIA, POLYGAMY... BROTHERS AND SISTERS IS IT POSSIBLE IN MANY CASES (NOT ALL) THAT WHAT WE DO SPEAKS SO LOUDLY THE WORLD CANNOT HEAR A WORD WE ARE SAYING?

NEF SED

[RustyAngeL]

I don't blame you. And if any christians set up a protest aginst their activities they would be accused of hate crime. GRRrrrr.

Most likely we would. But as I said I won't go near it. It's just too strange for me. They have a parade, and from what I"ve seen of them in other places, I just can't see myself standing on the side of the street while men dressed in pink toto's prance down the street with fake breasts waving and blowing kisses. No thanks.

[eric]

yeah, I've witnessed some of their antics on tele news.

[Smalcald]

Right, the question is one of tactics and approach.

What would Christ really want of us in these cases and on these cultural issues? In some ways being continually upset by our culture, being so mad about things is not showing the peace of Christ. It is really more like the secular side, dividing things up with a winner and a loser and fighting a political power fight. Christ did not do that when He walked the earth.

I think we must first culturally look to following Christ in peace and joy as we are called, and to do that we must let our own light shine.

I was deeply involved in the Pro-Life political movement for some time, and am still firmly committed to pro-life causes. However what I often saw was angry people, some so angry they scared me, and they did not show the peace of the Lord. They were always fighting among themselves and always questioning the

[Floatingaxe]

Right, the question is one of tactics and approach.

What would Christ really want of us in these cases and on these cultural issues? In some ways being continually upset by our culture, being so mad about things is not showing the peace of Christ. It is really more like the secular side, dividing things up with a winner and a loser and fighting a political power fight. Christ did not do that when He walked the earth.

I think we must first culturally look to following Christ in peace and joy as we are called, and to do that we must let our own light shine.

I was deeply involved in the Pro-Life political movement for some time, and am still firmly committed to pro-life causes. However what I often saw was angry people, some so angry they scared me, and they did not show the peace of the Lord. They were always fighting among themselves and always questioning the