SALVATION WITHOUT REPENTANCE???

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Hi,

Are we hearing and preaching a different Gospel then what Jesus and his Apostles preached? Today I hear so many Pastors and Christians teaching that God does not require us to repent or turn from sin. But throughout the Gospels, Book of Acts, and letters of the bible, it teaches us that Repentance is an absolute requirement. Not only that, but it commands us to repent or we will perish. What happend to the message of repentance? Do we think God does not require us to repent today?

Jesus:

Luk 13:3 I tell you, No. But unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

Jesus preached repentance and faith, Peter preached repentance and faith, and Paul preached repentance and faith and so did all the other apostles.

Peter:

Act 2:37-38 And hearing this, they were stabbed in the heart, and said to Peter and to the other apostles, Men, brothers, what shall we do? (38) Then Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ to remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Act 3:19 Therefore repent and convert so that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Notice Peter did not say, "bow your heads men and brothers and say this prayer after me and then you shall be saved." NO! Peter told them exactly what to do.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Paul:

Act 17:30 So then these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent,

Act 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul sums up his whole ministry and messege in these few words:

Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Oh my God Paul said we are to do works!!!! Is Paul a false teacher?

Paul's whole message to both Jews and Gentiles was this: Repent, Faith in God, and do works meet for repentance.

Today, I believe the church has replaced Repentance and Faith with a unbibical "sinners prayer" which requires no repentance or faith. They tell them the if you say this lil magical sinners prayer that you will be instantly and eternally secure. What a crock of bull! Jesus said, unless you repent you perish! Why are we scared to tell people that they need to turn from sin and turn to God. You can not say yes to sin and say yes to God at the same time. You either have to say no to sin and yes to God or you have to say yes to sin and No to God.

God commands us to repent.

Act 17:30 So then these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent,

[endure4salvation]

I am sad to say to you, friend, that your post won't be met with much responsiveness by some here.

But it is Biblical though. You are preaching the truth and God will recgonize it as such. God bless you.

tsth has pointed out that the very first messages preached by John the baptist, Jesus, the disciples, and the apostles were all:

Repent

[Guest shiloh357]

Are we hearing and preaching a different Gospel then what Jesus and his Apostles preached? Today I hear so many Pastors and Christians teaching that God does not require us to repent or turn from sin. But throughout the Gospels, Book of Acts, and letters of the bible, it teaches us that Repentance is an absolute requirement. Not only that, but it commands us to repent or we will perish. What happend to the message of repentance? Do we think God does not require us to repent today?

You are right on target. Repentance and forgiveness are two wings of the same bird. God requires that we repent of our sin, and recieve Jesus as Savior and Lord. This means that we must submit to the Holy Spirit and allow Him to lead us. It says in Proverbs 15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord, But the prayer of the upright is His delight. This is because one cannot come to God, ask for forgiveness with the intent of going back out and committing the same sin all over again. I have known people who CLAIM to be Christians that live that kind of tragic lifestyle, and they have payed dearly for it. Ask for forgiveness is pointless if you are not sorry for your sin. God does not honor such requests. No one can be saved unless they first are truly sorry and repent for their sin. Only then, can one, in faith reach out and recieve salvation.

Unfortunately, too many Christians are tied to the ways of the world. They prefer to watch sin laden movies and listen to unGodly music. Preachers who are so concerned with how they are percieved by the "community," have tailored their preaching to be palatable to the sinner. They do not preach the cross, they do not preach about the consequences of sin, they do even preach the simple gospel. Instead we get a earful of Christian feel-good "I'm OK, your'e OK" pablum. To talk about the cross, and sin, holiness, Hell and Judgement is not popular. Too many churches are bent upon building bigger buildings, and seeing how many programs and committees they can possibly create. They are doing church work, but not the work of the church. I see missionaries going without basic necessities, and having to raise money to meet their needs. Yet, the church in America has been made fat with an overabundance material blessing.

Today, I believe the church has replaced Repentance and Faith with a unbibical "sinners prayer" which requires no repentance or faith. They tell them the if you say this lil sinners prayer that you will be eternally secure. What a crock of bull! Jesus said, unless you repent you perish!

I do not care for the "sinner's prayer" either. The sinner's prayer should never be the object of faith. Only Christ should be our object of faith. People should not put their faith in anything except Christ. True repentance is what is missing in the Church today. If there were true repentance, and the Godly living that would result from such repentance, the world would see the glory of God in the church.

[Guest shadow2b]

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I do not care for the "sinner's prayer" either. The sinner's prayer should never be the object of faith. Only Christ should be our object of faith. People should not put their faith in anything except Christ. True repentance is what is missing in the Church today. If there were true repentance, and the Godly living that would result from such repentance, the world would see the glory of God in the church.

O.K. NO SINNERS PRAYER -----THEN WHAT DO YOU SAY????????????

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OR ??????

[Guest PeterW.]

Repent and be baptized. If that is not clear to anyone, then they are getting there info from some other source and not from God.

[RGR]

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I do not care for the "sinner's prayer" either. The sinner's prayer should never be the object of faith. Only Christ should be our object of faith. People should not put their faith in anything except Christ. True repentance is what is missing in the Church today. If there were true repentance, and the Godly living that would result from such repentance, the world would see the glory of God in the church.

O.K. NO SINNERS PRAYER -----THEN WHAT DO YOU SAY????????????

-------------- ---------- ----------- ------------ --------- --------- -------------- ------------ AMEN????--

OR ??????

[Guest shiloh357]

I do not care for the "sinner's prayer" either. The sinner's prayer should never be the object of faith. Only Christ should be our object of faith. People should not put their faith in anything except Christ. True repentance is what is missing in the Church today. If there were true repentance, and the Godly living that would result from such repentance, the world would see the glory of God in the church.

[SisterT-Enduring2TheEnd]

Are we hearing and preaching a different Gospel then what Jesus and his Apostles preached?

Yes.

Today I hear so many Pastors and Christians teaching that God does not require us to repent or turn from sin. But throughout the Gospels, Book of Acts, and letters of the bible, it teaches us that Repentance is an absolute requirement. Not only that, but it commands us to repent or we will perish.

Shame, isn't it?

What happend to the message of repentance? Do we think God does not require us to repent today?

Good questions. I don't know what happened to the message of repentance but I believe some think that God does not require us to repent. Some Christians haven't moved beyond John 3:16 or, if they have, they pick only the passages where belief is required and God's love is constantly spoken about. Sad, really because there is more to God that just His love. His love may give us comfort but to ignore His other attributes is very irresponsible and presents a false view of how He revealed Himself.

To River:

Jedi clearly showed what Jesus and The Apostles taught. Repentance is absolutely necessary in addition to belief. To teach repentance isn't teaching "fire and brimstone" but is the core of a true relationship with God. As God hates sin and will have no part of it, it is essential that people turn away from it in order to have ANY relationship with God. Jesus preached it. The Apostles preached it and it is irresponsible for us NOT to.

[Matthitjah]

Bless you Saints,

Joe

[Matthitjah]

Bless you Saints,

Heres another one,

Isa