BOXER'S LOW BLOW

[RustyAngeL]

I truly, truly would like to hear the Democratic plan for victory in Iraq, and for this war against terrorists. I mean, it's been over 3 years, and all we have heard from them is.....well, nothing really, except Bush is doing it wrong. Depending on which way the wind blows, you can hear everything from "we don't have enough troops to do the job" to "we don't need to be sending anymore troops over there".

Time to act like an adult on this issue, I say to the Democratic party: Which is it? Stop playing around with the lives of Americans. Whch way do you want it, anyway?

What......is.....your.....plan?

Please, someone from that side of the aisle tell me, because it affects me personally, as well as my family.

What is your plan for victory? Stop acting like little babies and tell me your plan. If it works, or sounds feasible, I'll go with it, I promise.

t.

Your not the only one. I keep hearing from them that we need a new plan for Iraq but they never come up with one. Now for Barbara Boxer to come out of left field with this attacking Dr. Rice for being a single woman with no children is typical of the liberals. When you don't have a plan attack a conservative.

[RustyAngeL]

I have yet to hear of any democrat tackle a debate or an issue with integrity and stick to the issue; instead they attack the person, avoid the real issue of the debate, go around the issue, change the subject and offer no solutions to the issues at hand. All they know how to do is toss out false accusations and condemnations, which sends a wrong message to everyone. Hopefully, they will hang themselves in the time left before the next Presidential election.

Republicans never attack people personally, make false accusations, or play dirty?????? Hello Pot, Meet Kettle.

I seem to remember a period between 1993 and 2001, when attacking the president personally and making false accusations (like claiming he was a murderer and a rapist) was pretty much all Republicans did. The Democrats would have to spend the next two years swimming the sewers to stoop as low as the Republicans did back then.

It was not 2 weeks ago that a certain Republican Congressman from Virginia demonized an incoming Muslim Congressman simply because he was a Muslim and thus, imagine this, wanted to take the oath of office with the Koran. Basically telling every muslim citizen of America that they were second class citizens and not as American as he was. One could not be more insulting.

I mean come on, have you read some of the stuff that you guys have wrote on here yourselves? You talk about Democrats, Liberals, Feminists, Environmentalists, or anyone who in anyway disagrees with you like a Klansman would talk about African Americans. It could only be described as pure venom and hatefulness.

All Boxer did, and don't get me wrong, it was a crappy thing to say, was say that Rice had no children and thus was not making the sacrifice that people who have children over there are. Like I say, a bit of low remark, but a mile higher than the typical vitriol being spewed daily on outlets like Right Wing Talk Radio. The tone was set by the partisan right back in the 90s, they cant exactly complain now.

I don't know about the murder but Clinton was a rapist. There were several women who had sexual advances of Clinton that did not want them and Clinton being the womanizer he was and still is most likely did it anyway. When he had an affair in the White House then lied about it not only to the American people but to a Grand Jury and got away with it I lost any of the little respect I had for the man. I still had respect for the Office of President which was more then he had when he had this little tryst. I'm not saying there are bad on both sides but when you have someone like Ted Kennedy who did commit murder and get away with it just because he was a Kennedy, and believe me that is the only reason and Clinton who got away with this affair Democrats have little room to talk.

[nebula]

Souls are dying, and here we are tearing each other up over politics.

[RustyAngeL]

Souls are dying, and here we are tearing each other up over politics.

I think we need to get these things out in the open. This is the only place where I can get into a real lively discussion about such things. However your right that it is not what our priority should be. I can't talk to my husband about things like this because we agree so where's the fun?

[nebula]

Well, discussing our differences is one thing.

But can we keep the teeth and claws out of it, please?

[ted]

I'm not saying there are bad on both sides but when you have someone like Ted Kennedy who did commit murder and get away with it just because he was a Kennedy, and believe me that is the only reason and Clinton who got away with this affair Democrats have little room to talk.

Actually, it was more like negligent homicide, but who's keeping tabs any more....

Nebula's right, though. We can discuss this stuff without digging claws into each other.

I'd still like to hear what the Democrats secret plan for victory is, though. Obviously, they know the answer, but still want to keep their plan secret from the rest of us.

I don't understand it.

t.

[forrestkc]

I'm not saying there are bad on both sides but when you have someone like Ted Kennedy who did commit murder and get away with it just because he was a Kennedy, and believe me that is the only reason and Clinton who got away with this affair Democrats have little room to talk.

Actually, it was more like negligent homicide, but who's keeping tabs any more....

Nebula's right, though. We can discuss this stuff without digging claws into each other.

I'd still like to hear what the Democrats secret plan for victory is, though. Obviously, they know the answer, but still want to keep their plan secret from the rest of us.

I don't understand it.

t.

Democrats, nor pragmatic Republicans would have never gotten us into this mess by never going into Iraq in the first place. As it is there is no good plan for victory. We can either flood the country with at least 100,000 more soldiers for years in an attempt to pacify this country.

Or.

We can redeploy to other nations in the area in an attempt to simply contain it.

Neither option is a good one, but it is what we are left with. The problem is that the neo-conservatives have created a mess that both liberals and classical conservatives warned would never work prior to our even going in, now they want to complain when those same classical conservatives and liberals do not a have a solution for what they claimed would never work in the first place.

[forrestkc]

I have yet to hear of any democrat tackle a debate or an issue with integrity and stick to the issue; instead they attack the person, avoid the real issue of the debate, go around the issue, change the subject and offer no solutions to the issues at hand. All they know how to do is toss out false accusations and condemnations, which sends a wrong message to everyone. Hopefully, they will hang themselves in the time left before the next Presidential election.

Republicans never attack people personally, make false accusations, or play dirty?????? Hello Pot, Meet Kettle.

I seem to remember a period between 1993 and 2001, when attacking the president personally and making false accusations (like claiming he was a murderer and a rapist) was pretty much all Republicans did. The Democrats would have to spend the next two years swimming the sewers to stoop as low as the Republicans did back then.

It was not 2 weeks ago that a certain Republican Congressman from Virginia demonized an incoming Muslim Congressman simply because he was a Muslim and thus, imagine this, wanted to take the oath of office with the Koran. Basically telling every muslim citizen of America that they were second class citizens and not as American as he was. One could not be more insulting.

All Boxer did, and don't get me wrong, it was a crappy thing to say, was say that Rice had no children and thus was not making the sacrifice that people who have children over there are. Like I say, a bit of low remark, but a mile higher than the typical vitriol being spewed daily on outlets like Right Wing Talk Radio. The tone was set by the partisan right back in the 90s, they cant exactly complain now.

I wouldn't know about Right Wing Talk Radio, but I would think our elected representatives would rise above the likes of what I have seen come out of the democrats since they have been on their power trip for 100 days, and the past. And your comments in this thread, and the one I linked to just prove my point. I don't recall any Virginia congressman demonizing a muslim congressman; however, I do recall many expressing their concerns over this muslim comgressman. Your choice of word "demonize" is just another typical example of democrat sensationalism and over reactive rhetoric used to subtlely coerce and manipulte people because they do not know how to debate the issues without attacking their opponents personally and thus, they lose all credibility.

http://www.worthyboards.com/index.php?showtopic=53843

I mean come on, have you read some of the stuff that you guys have wrote on here yourselves? You talk about Democrats, Liberals, Feminists, Environmentalists, or anyone who in anyway disagrees with you like a Klansman would talk about African Americans. It could only be described as pure venom and hatefulness.

Perhaps that's an erroneous perception on your part. I have not seen that. What I have seen, tho, is you calling a media a right wing rag, making false accusations and presumptions because you cannot defend the indefensible.

I called the Moonie owned Washington Times a Moonie Owned Right Wing Rag, hardly a false accusation.

I considered digging out many of the vitrolic posts on here directed toward liberals, Democrats, Muslims, Feminists, and Environmentalists, but I don't think it would serve any good purpose. All I am saying is that I am not even that much of Lib, I often vote for Moderate Republicans, but just the same, I am often very offended on here. I cannot imagine how offended someone who really was a liberal would be.

Secondly, if you make the insinuation as the congressman from Virginia made that if we don't adopt his imigration policy, we will have a country full of Muslims, and then give Congressman Ellison as an example, you are being a biggot, and demonizing Muslims. There is no way around that. Which is kind of my point, if you want to point fingers, you need to point them both right and left.

[Giaour]

Typical tactic.

But they did it first. Ugh!

Dont take responsibility for it, just bring up someone worse in your eyes.

[forrestkc]

Souls are dying, and here we are tearing each other up over politics.

I think we need to get these things out in the open. This is the only place where I can get into a real lively discussion about such things. However your right that it is not what our priority should be. I can't talk to my husband about things like this because we agree so where's the fun?

You know, I remember in another thread about healthcare you mentioned your lack of health coverage. This is what I don't understand. Both parties have their share of sleaze, but only one side actually really cares about people who don't have health coverage. Only one side actually cares about people who are scraping to get by. Sure, the Republicans on occasion give a little ideological lip service to these issues, but in three Republican Presidencies over the last 26 years and a Republican controlled congress for the last 12 years, they have done nothing, nothing at all of note for the working people of this country. The only thing they did, in 27 years was provide a Medicare Drug benefit, and if you ask most any senior, they did a pretty crappy job of it because they were so beholden to the insurance and pharmaceutical industries. Think about it, other than a mess of a war, what have Republicans done for you in the last 6 years when they held the Whitehouse, Congress, and the Federal Courts? Nothing. Yeah, a little tax cut, but nothing else. Where is their FDR? They don't have one.

The fact is, if anyone addresses the issue nearly 50 million uninsured in this country, it certainly will not be a conservative Republican. If anyone addresses the issue of the working poor in this country, it certainly will not be a conservative Republican. If anyone addresses the issue of rising poverty and the growing gap between rich and poor in this country, it certainly will not be a conservative Republican. Because when it really, really, really gets down to it, they obviously don't care, it is off of their radar screen.