Christian environmental stewardship

[nebula]

For example, The Sierra Club is not a group of pagan earth worshippers, but rather it is a group primarily of outdoor recreationists, hikers, backpackers, rock climbers, kayakers, and fisherman. Go to the Sierra Club website and look at their campaigns. There is nothing socialist about it.

When I worked at Big Bend NP, TX, which boarders Mexico, I visited a small village just on the other side of the Rio Grande. They had absolutely no electricity there. I found out that a plan was made to provide them electricity, but the Sierra Club blocked them from having this. Why? The power lines would be an eye sore to the national park scenery.

Sorry, but I lost my respect for the Sierra Club with this one.

[nebula]

Neb,

Please understand this: I am an environmentalist, but not because of "mother earth" or because the god-like powers of scientists. Forrest would have us believe that pure science has no agenda. That is absolute hogwash. I am an environmentalist because I love the environment and for no other reason. I love to walk my property and not worry about trash, or smelly air or dirty water coming through the springs in my caves. I detest noise pollution, which is one reason why I live out here. It might surprise you to know that I am part of a conservation society in the area for the preservation of some of Nevada's natural wonders!

I am all for common sense legislation that protects the environment but not at the expense of what is best for man. If I had to choose between the life of a spotted owl or what was best for the caretakers of the plante (read: ME), then I choose the rights of the caretakers every time.

As I said in an earlier post, the reason why I just cannot take the claims of environmentalists seriously is because of what happened with the whole Alar scare from a few years ago. To me, that singular debacle illustrates the total nuttiness of the modern environmental movement.

Gotcha!

And I totally understand.

I guess what I'm trying to do is talk with a majority population (the members of this board) that I believe are proberbially throwing the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to the environment.

If when speaking of environmental concerns, all we do is express our angst against the "environmentalist movement" - well, how can we speak of what we can and should do to care for God's creation.

Know what I mean?

P.S. At least this is what I am attempting here. I cannot speak for other persons who contribute to this thread.

[Marnie]

Oh Marnie...... That whole "Alar scare" was a myth propogated by industry groups in their attempts to revise history and discredit scientists and environmentalists.

There you go, putting up a pup tent in the wind again.

Marnie has left the building.

Propogated=propagated

[forrestkc]

Oh Marnie...... That whole "Alar scare" was a myth propogated by industry groups in their attempts to revise history and discredit scientists and environmentalists.

There you go, putting up a pup tent in the wind again.

Marnie has left the building.

Propogated=propagated

The only reason why I try is because I know that sooner or later, once you get both sides of the issue, you will come around.

Would you put dimethylhydrazide of succinic acid on your apples?

[forrestkc]

When I worked at Big Bend NP, TX, which boarders Mexico, I visited a small village just on the other side of the Rio Grande. They had absolutely no electricity there. I found out that a plan was made to provide them electricity, but the Sierra Club blocked them from having this. Why? The power lines would be an eye sore to the national park scenery.

Sorry, but I lost my respect for the Sierra Club with this one.

Well, dont get me wrong, you are right, they can carry things to far with the whole preservationist thing. On balance though, there are a whole lot more impoverished people drinking polluted water and living on polluted land that resulted from the chemical and extraction industries, than there are villages without electricity because of a ridiculous position advocated by the Sierra Club.

Just the same, I am not nor have I ever been a member of the Sierra Club. I prefer environmental organizations that try to work with business, government, and land owners on developing solutions like the NDRC and Environmental Defense.

[nebula]

I prefer environmental organizations that try to work with business, government, and land owners on developing solutions like the NDRC and Environmental Defense.

I'm not familiar with those groups - but I definantly agree with that premise!

Sacrifices need to be made on both sides for the better functioning of society. The "all or nothing" attitude screws up everything.

[Guest yod]

What is socialist about arguing something should be done to combat Anthropogenic Global Warming, enforce the Endangered Species Act, keep public participation as an integral voice in managing National Parks and Forests, and promoting renewable energy? That is not some wacko agenda, it is an agenda supported by the vast majority of Americans.

I support that also. Again, it is the environmentalist movement only voicing what we all know is the concern. But just like the Democrat Party and even Ross Perot, just pointing out the problem is NOT a solution.

And it is their solutions that make it socialism.

It boils down to "take money from the rich nation and use it on nations who are doing the most polluting without them sharing any responsibility in cleaning themselves up"

Fix that problem and the Kyoto Treaty gets signed

[forrestkc]

What is socialist about arguing something should be done to combat Anthropogenic Global Warming, enforce the Endangered Species Act, keep public participation as an integral voice in managing National Parks and Forests, and promoting renewable energy? That is not some wacko agenda, it is an agenda supported by the vast majority of Americans.

I support that also. Again, it is the environmentalist movement only voicing what we all know is the concern. But just like the Democrat Party and even Ross Perot, just pointing out the problem is NOT a solution.

And it is their solutions that make it socialism.

It boils down to "take money from the rich nation and use it on nations who are doing the most polluting without them sharing any responsibility in cleaning themselves up"

Fix that problem and the Kyoto Treaty gets signed

The other side to the equation is that the United States is by far the world's largest greenhouse gas emitter. We cannot expect the rest of the world to move to a more environmentally sustianable economic model if we don't lead. How can we convince China to reduce its CO2 emissions if the world's largest emitter, the United States refuses to do the same?

I might add that it is the far right that wants to abolish the endangered species act, it is the far right that wants to and has tried to remove public participation in the management of national parks and forests (in fact, they are opposed to the idea of National Parks and Forests), it is the far right that authored bills that cut the oil industry massive tax breaks and subsides even though they are currently the most profitable industry on earth.

The wacko agenda is not held by mainstream environmentalists, it is being promoted by the far right.

[Emily~Anne]

I don't think we should ever base our decision on wether or not to support a cause by what a few extremist organizations do, case in point- look at how some pro-life groups behave. Should the whole pro-life cause lose credibility as a result of how a few nuts behaved? Of course not!

[forrestkc]

I don't think we should ever base our decision on wether or not to support a cause by what a few extremist organizations do, case in point- look at how some pro-life groups behave. Should the whole pro-life cause lose credibility as a result of how a few nuts behaved? Of course not!

Great point. Those who are looking to cover for their greedy and wrongful actions, paint those who strive for justice by their most extreme factions. The fact is, those who are in the so called "Wise Use Movement" and other exploitationists have a very unpopular agenda. Therefore, they try to paint every group that opposes them, no matter how mainstream that group is, by the most extremist elements in the movement.