Divorce/Remarriage

[Floatingaxe]

My apologies to you Floatingaxe. I had you mixed up with someone else in this thread who was claiming that the words of the Pharisees validated their point. There is nothing in anything you said that would suggest you hold the Pharisees in high esteem. Once again, I apologize for my mistake, as I am sure it appeared to be an attempt to demonize you.

It did appear as a major slight, considering our disagreement in the recent past! However, you have my forgiveness, of course!

[kat8585]

When they entered into a marriage contract, they became married in the sight of the Lord. Yes, he sees them as being guilty of committing adultery, but at the same time, I still believe he took note of their taking marriage vows and becoming one. If God really doesn't see them as married, then one has to take the position of those who claim God sees your ex as still married to you, and push for reconciliation, which is totally unBiblical. I really don't know why you even care about what happens to them. God will deal with them according to their sins. You need to move on with your own life. They are not really getting away with anything, regardless of what they may think.

I can't agree with this. If they are not getting away with anything, then He doesn't consider them married. If He does, then anything goes. But for the record, I care because I want him to be saved. I haved moved on, but I am still dealing with the betrayal.

[firehill]

When they entered into a marriage contract, they became married in the sight of the Lord. Yes, he sees them as being guilty of committing adultery, but at the same time, I still believe he took note of their taking marriage vows and becoming one. If God really doesn't see them as married, then one has to take the position of those who claim God sees your ex as still married to you, and push for reconciliation, which is totally unBiblical. I really don't know why you even care about what happens to them. God will deal with them according to their sins. You need to move on with your own life. They are not really getting away with anything, regardless of what they may think.

I can't agree with this. If they are not getting away with anything, then He doesn't consider them married. If He does, then anything goes. But for the record, I care because I want him to be saved. I haved moved on, but I am still dealing with the betrayal.

I agree 100% with Butero. Also just because they are married has nothing to do with him getting away with anything. (I'm still speaking to the fact that I have no idea if he repented or not)

What you're saying sounds like a teaching of the false doctrine of MDR.

[Smalcald]

Jesus also very directly says that those who marry after committing adultery commit adultery if they marry again.

But what to do then is the question. I have seen Butero demonstrate from the OT how this is modified to take into account the damage breaking up another marriage, regardless of how sinful that union was, can be so I have changed some of my thinking on this.

The key is of course that the no church should have married this couple. But that is neither here nor there, I think we want sometimes to seek justice on this earth, and this earth does not give justice, but God does give justice. The problem is that the church needs to condemn adultery, and right now it does not really do so, in fact it blesses adultery by recognizing adulterous unions such as this one as legitimate when it performs a marraige for them.

The time for repentance for this guy was prior to his second marriage, he refused to do so, and it is very doubtful but possible that he now repents. Think of it, he never ever quite having this affair, he just got the church to bless it. In my mind this is like a thief repenting with the understanding that he would not have to make restitution of what he has stolen, but indeed gets to keep it all. But who knows, God is very great and may indeed lead this man to true repentance for his original adultery, and if that happened no I don

[Sherman]

Hello everyone, I finally had time to put everything together. In my book, I offer much more support for each point listed below, but I've done my best to convey the applicable information to this passage without overburdening this post with too much "evidence" Also, I have not had time to read, much less respond to any posts for the last couple of days, I'll try to catch up tonight. So if I've missed a question or remark personally addressed to me, I'll read it and reply as soon as I can. And please pardon the length of this post, I shortened it as much as I could and yet still explain why I understand and thus interpret this passage differently than how it is traditionally interpreted.

Well, we finally come to the crux of the matter, the seed of much division in the Church for centuries concerning MDR -- the difficult statement of Jesus in the Mt. 19 passage.

Based upon the historical and cultural context, we

[Smalcald]

[Sherman]

I do think it applies to Kat's situation quite directly.

I'm not up to date on your discussion concerning her previous posts, so I don't know what you meant by this.

I do think it applies to Kat's situation quite directly. If my wife fools around on me I can divorce her, if I want to go fool around on her, I cannot simply divorce her at will and marry another without it being adultery. I mean Jesus usually makes quite a bit of sense.

I think you're being sarcastic by this, but I don't understand your point or if you think I'm saying something like that.

[Smalcald]

Sherman, my response was not meant as sarcastic.

Boy we must really be looking right past each other on this

Anyway below is what you summed up, and I basically agree with it.

First of all Moses did not

[Smalcald]

I don't think anybody is arguing that we can NEVER divorce for any reason Foc, are they? I certainly am not; I think there are a variety of biblical reasons. But as Sherman has pointed out, stepping out with other women who is not your wife is NOT one of those reasons which divorce is allowed.

[Sherman]

Sherman, my response was not meant as sarcastic.

Boy we must really be looking right past each other on this

Anyway below is what you summed up, and I basically agree with it.

First of all Moses did not