Why do you add to the Lord's Prayer?

[Iryssa]

I kind of like the way the Message puts it.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

The Message is not a REAL bible.

According to whom or what standard?

By the fact that it is a self-prrofessed PARAPHRASE, not a translation.

[Guest Biblicist]

I kind of like the way the Message puts it.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

The Message is not a REAL bible.

According to whom or what standard?

By the fact that it is a self-professed PARAPHRASE, not a translation.

Don't get all excited, I merely asked because before today I had never even heard of half the translations I listed, including The Message. Although, The Message does include the "whole" Lords Prayer.

God's word also tells us not to get into arguments over mere words. Would that include arguing over which translation of the Bible is the best? Not to get off topic or anything. . . Just making an observation.

[Smalcald]

When I pray with Protestants, I add the "Protestant" ending to the Lord's Prayer out of respect for their tradition.

But, considering you are "sola Scriptura", why do you add to the prayer taught by Jesus???

Thanks,

F

Dear Fiosh, you also seem to do the same by calling the manner of prayer we

[forrestkc]

Well He did directly tell us to pray along these lines of THIS prayer, call it what you want, I think the Lord's Prayer is very accurate. This is the summation of how we should pray according to Christ. Certainly we can just recite this prayer, and indeed it would be just a vain repetition in that case, but when we pray it with our heart and our mind as a true cry to God, we know we are praying how He wants us to pray.

The vain repetitions he was referring to was how many Pagans pray today, mainly chanting one thing or one rhythm over and over. He was not speaking of simply praying a common prayer or in particular this prayer. In fact He was saying the opposite, He was telling us how to pray, I don't get intentionally rejecting His advice?

He does give us advice on prayer, He speaks as you have shown in scripture about the content of our prayers being along the lines of the Lord's Prayer, He also speaks about not making big flowery public prayers, which are done for men, not for God. So we have some very direct prayer advice from Christ.

Great point.

At least for me, I think common prayers or liturgical prayers are a good thing. They get us in the habit of praying for things that we would normally not be praying for, but should. For example, during the Prayers for the People, we pray for things that we ought to be praying for, but usually don't when praying on our own. I don't know if you guys say those during the Lutheran Liturgy or not.

[Guest yod]

I kind of like the way the Message puts it.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

The Message is not a REAL bible.

According to whom or what standard?

oy...christinity is in more trouble than I thought.

[sheya joie]

From Luke:

Luke 11:1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3 Give us day by day our daily bread.

4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

From Matthew:

Matt 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

(I included the verse about the vain repetitions in Matt 6:7, since an earlier poster made reference to it.)

[Guest Biblicist]

oy...christinity is in more trouble than I thought.

May I ask you what exactly you mean by that statement?

[Floatingaxe]

I kind of like the way the Message puts it.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

The Message is not a REAL bible.

According to whom or what standard?

By the fact that it is a self-prrofessed PARAPHRASE, not a translation.

That's right. It is a wonderful paraphrase! The Lord's Prayer is an outline for us to follow, and as such, the paraphrase does a very good job of it. Our prayers can hope to be as well done following Jesus' guide.

It is such a sad thing that people can't trust a paraphrase done by Godly people who seek God's guidance in what they endeavour to do. I really am disheartened to see in other threads how there is a kind of paranoia around it. too bad. We should ahve confidence in the Holy Spirit that He would never lead us astray.

After all, when we are using Jesus' guide to pray, don't we entirely paraphrase and ad lib? I should hope so! Christianity is not in any trouble. We must stop being so negative. It is alive and free, and growing by leaps and bounds!

[Guest Biblicist]

That's right. It is a wonderful paraphrase! The Lord's Prayer is an outline for us to follow, and as such, the paraphrase does a very good job of it. Our prayers can hope to be as well done following Jesus' guide.

It is such a sad thing that people can't trust a paraphrase done by Godly people who seek God's guidance in what they endeavor to do. I really am disheartened to see in other threads how there is a kind of paranoia around it. too bad. We should have confidence in the Holy Spirit that He would never lead us astray.

After all, when we are using Jesus' guide to pray, don't we entirely paraphrase and ad lib? I should hope so! Christianity is not in any trouble. We must stop being so negative. It is alive and free, and growing by leaps and bounds!

I often wonder about those poor people in other countries such as Africa who have Bibles that are translated into their languages, do they have the REAL Bible? There are hundreds of languages. How do we know that the Bible is not losing integrity every time it is being interpreted into another language? Maybe we should have Faith in God's ability to preserve His Message, His Holy Word. I am pretty sure that when He created all the different languages at the Tower of Babel He realized that His Word would need to be translated into each one so everyone could learn more about Him.

[Floatingaxe]

That's right. It is a wonderful paraphrase! The Lord's Prayer is an outline for us to follow, and as such, the paraphrase does a very good job of it. Our prayers can hope to be as well done following Jesus' guide.

It is such a sad thing that people can't trust a paraphrase done by Godly people who seek God's guidance in what they endeavor to do. I really am disheartened to see in other threads how there is a kind of paranoia around it. too bad. We should have confidence in the Holy Spirit that He would never lead us astray.

After all, when we are using Jesus' guide to pray, don't we entirely paraphrase and ad lib? I should hope so! Christianity is not in any trouble. We must stop being so negative. It is alive and free, and growing by leaps and bounds!

I often wonder about those poor people in other countries such as Africa who have Bibles that are translated into their languages, do they have the REAL Bible? There are hundreds of languages. How do we know that the Bible is not losing integrity every time it is being interpreted into another language? Maybe we should have Faith in God's ability to preserve His Message, His Holy Word. I am pretty sure that when He created all the different languages at the Tower of Babel He realized that His Word would need to be translated into each one so everyone could learn more about Him.

That's God's business, not ours. God bless those who painstakingly translate so that those who have no written language or have no access to the Word in their own tongue can have it!

You are so right! God's business is preserving His own Word, and its integrity. Certainly we cannot be charged with that task!