Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

[Ovedya]

Secondly, most scientists are apolitical they could less about politics either way except for when politicians try to influence or restrict science.

Are you sure?

Yes I am.

How do you know? Have you hung out with scientists and research facilities?

How many scientists have you ever know to run for any form of public office?

That doesn't mean that scientists are apolitical. If science didn't care about politics, then the schools would still be able to teach creationism.

[forrestkc]

That doesn't mean that scientists are apolitical. If science didn't care about politics, then the schools would still be able to teach creationism.

Schools cannot teach creationism in science class because:

1. Every variable in a scientific theory must be falsifiable, thus for creationism to be taught as a scientific theory, one would have to first show empirical evidence that proved the existence of a creator. That of course is impossible, I believe that God exists, however, no one can empirically prove that God exists, thus my belief is faith, not empirical observation.

2. Creationists have yet to submit anything at all in support of their claims to any scientific journal.

Thus the reason why creationism is not taught in science class is that creationism is a belief originating from a faith and or philosophy, not a scientific theory.

[abbershay]

Global warming is true , however i the only things that humans have done to cause it is sin.

It stems from increased solar activity. We know from the bible that it is going to get so hot that people are going to have to hide themselves .

this is for runner of what is comming.

[Ovedya]

That doesn't mean that scientists are apolitical. If science didn't care about politics, then the schools would still be able to teach creationism.

Schools cannot teach creationism in science class because:

1. Every variable in a scientific theory must be falsifiable, thus for creationism to be taught as a scientific theory, one would have to first show empirical evidence that proved the existence of a creator. That of course is impossible, I believe that God exists, however, no one can empirically prove that God exists, thus my belief is faith, not empirical observation.

2. Creationists have yet to submit anything at all in support of their claims to any scientific journal.

Thus the reason why creationism is not taught in science class is that creationism is a belief originating from a faith and or philosophy, not a scientific theory.

I didn't write "...in science class." You assumed that.

[forrestkc]

Global warming is true , however i the only things that humans have done to cause it is sin.

It stems from increased solar activity. We know from the bible that it is going to get so hot that people are going to have to hide themselves .

this is for runner of what is comming.

If our current warming was primarily a result of increased Solar Activity (solar forcing), then all levels of the atmosphere would be warming. We would be seeing a warming stratosphere, a warming troposphere, and a warming surface. This is because solar forcing would act upon all atmospheric levels.

Now, in contrast, if our current warming is primarily a result og increased Greenhouse Gases, then we would see warming at the surface, a warming troposphere, and a cooling stratosphere. This is because Greenhouse Gases (CO2, Methane, and Water Vapor), prevent less heat from the sun escaping back into space, thus less heat is radiated back into the stratosphere, and thus while the lower atmosphere and surface of the earth warm, that stratosphere cools.

An very exhaustive study on atmospheric temperatures was completed by the U.S. Climate Change Science Program. The study is titled, Temperature Trends in the Lower Atmosphere: Steps for Understanding and Reconciling Differences.

This is what they found. The earth's surface is warming, the earth's troposphere is warming, and the stratosphere is cooling. This is completely consistent with Anthropogenic Global Warming. Moreover, a cooling stratosphere makes warming due to solar forcing as a near physical impossibility.

The study is here: http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/...ort/default.htm

[forrestkc]

That doesn't mean that scientists are apolitical. If science didn't care about politics, then the schools would still be able to teach creationism.

Schools cannot teach creationism in science class because:

1. Every variable in a scientific theory must be falsifiable, thus for creationism to be taught as a scientific theory, one would have to first show empirical evidence that proved the existence of a creator. That of course is impossible, I believe that God exists, however, no one can empirically prove that God exists, thus my belief is faith, not empirical observation.

2. Creationists have yet to submit anything at all in support of their claims to any scientific journal.

Thus the reason why creationism is not taught in science class is that creationism is a belief originating from a faith and or philosophy, not a scientific theory.

I didn't write "...in science class." You assumed that.

There are classes all across America dealing with philosophy, comperative religions, and creation myths that teach creationism and compare it to the creation myths of other religions. So if you are not talking about science class then I am not sure what you are getting at.

[Ovedya]

That doesn't mean that scientists are apolitical. If science didn't care about politics, then the schools would still be able to teach creationism.

Schools cannot teach creationism in science class because:

1. Every variable in a scientific theory must be falsifiable, thus for creationism to be taught as a scientific theory, one would have to first show empirical evidence that proved the existence of a creator. That of course is impossible, I believe that God exists, however, no one can empirically prove that God exists, thus my belief is faith, not empirical observation.

2. Creationists have yet to submit anything at all in support of their claims to any scientific journal.

Thus the reason why creationism is not taught in science class is that creationism is a belief originating from a faith and or philosophy, not a scientific theory.

I didn't write "...in science class." You assumed that.

There are classes all across America dealing with philosophy, comperative religions, and creation myths that teach creationism and compare it to the creation myths of other religions. So if you are not talking about science class then I am not sure what you are getting at.

In high school? In elementary education?

That was not the point. The point was that scientists can be, and are, just as political as many other institutions. They are political out of necessity in their own fields, in the institutions from which they teach, and in terms of getting government funding for their research.

Lobbyists for different environmental groups can raise money to pay for research just as well as Big Oil and Big Energy.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

I think you will find that the scientific case for Anthropogenic Global Warming is so strong that virtually anyone who looks at it would be convinced by it.

Not me.

To claim that Scientists are apolitical and never have personal agenda's. Is to place them on par with infallibility. Yet the heart of man is desperately wicked and seeks it's own way.

Peace,

Dave

[Guest lnj]

Whats going to happen when 3rd world citizens are migrating to richer countries ala US, UK AUS etc because they have the money to counteract the effects of Global Warming and the 3rd world countries don't ...the power will be in the hands of 1st world countries whether they allow people of various religions and practices into their countries. Maybe there would be fear of being swamped by radical thinkers and activities...Would knocking them back because of this be humane in the light of preservation of life...or self interest?..............

[nebula]

To claim that Scientists are apolitical and never have personal agenda's. Is to place them on par with infallibility. Yet the heart of man is desperately wicked and seeks it's own way.