Homosexuals want Washington Initiative

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Forrest,

Does the State not also have a mandate to protect the rights of the majority and also the general populace?

Do you consider a Civil Unions Law or even Homosexual Marriage the best course for the Nation? Especially in the Light of thousands of years of Human History showing otherwise.

Case Study the Swedes who legitamized Homosexual Marriage over ten years ago and then watched as God Ordained Covenant Marriages plummett. Thus leaving their society with a bunch of children who now have all kinds of living arrangements. Thus we see there is a consequence to the multitude of our sins given in to. Now Homosexuals don't even seek marriage there because it is now meaningless.

Thus the Culture war is lost.

Peace,

Dave

[Oh Hamburgers!]

These demented perverts want no judgment at all exercised towards their chosen filth, but want to be able to make life even harder for poor childless couples!

May the Lord make his judgment plain.

...WOW.

That is an awful lot of directed hate right there

The reason this was brought up is because they are trying to get the supreme court case reviewed. There is no way the initiative will pass, I wouldn't worry about that at all. It was made as a way to bring their situation to light, and to provide reason for their actions.

[Oh Hamburgers!]

I don't take anything serious these wicked people say.

Sounds to me like you are associating the people with the sins they are commiting...

Love the sinner, hate the sin?

That doesn't change the fact that they are still wicked.

Using that logic, then we are all wicked by default, because we have all sinned.

They are wicked unrepentant sinners period, whom we love just the same, but are called to rebuke and speak out against.

I don't understand why you beleive homosexuals are necessarily unrepentant? They have commited sins, just as we have commited sins. Therefore, what is the fundamental difference between them, and between you for example?

Enlighten me please.

[Leonard]

These demented perverts want no judgment at all exercised towards their chosen filth, but want to be able to make life even harder for poor childless couples!

May the Lord make his judgment plain.

...WOW.

That is an awful lot of directed hate right there

The reason this was brought up is because they are trying to get the supreme court case reviewed. There is no way the initiative will pass, I wouldn't worry about that at all. It was made as a way to bring their situation to light, and to provide reason for their actions.

Yes. I hate it when evil people attempt to harm good people. Do you have a problem with that? If so, you are morally confused.

Do you have a problem with God making His judgment plain? I should think all who care a whit about the Lord would think that would be quite a good thing.

May the Lord make His judgment plain.

[Oh Hamburgers!]

Yes. I hate it when evil people attempt to harm good people. Do you have a problem with that? If so, you are morally confused.

Do you have a problem with God making His judgment plain? I should think all who care a whit about the Lord would think that would be quite a good thing.

May the Lord make His judgment plain.

I have a problem with associating people with their sins. You are calling them evil people for commiting an evil act in the eyes of God, but we are taught not to do this. We are to love people, and rebuke the sins they commit. As soon as you bundle someone up with the evil they commit, and associate them to be evil people, you make it much easier to hate, and justify terrible things to be done against them in the name of God.

That is what I have a problem with, it leads to much worse things.

[Oh Hamburgers!]

I don't take anything serious these wicked people say.

Sounds to me like you are associating the people with the sins they are commiting...

Love the sinner, hate the sin?

That doesn't change the fact that they are still wicked.

Using that logic, then we are all wicked by default, because we have all sinned.

They are wicked unrepentant sinners period, whom we love just the same, but are called to rebuke and speak out against.

I don't understand why you beleive homosexuals are necessarily unrepentant? They have commited sins, just as we have commited sins. Therefore, what is the fundamental difference between them, and between you for example?

Enlighten me please.

I think you were "enlightened" enough last night in another thread regarding homosexuals. If you haven't gotten it by now, after all the discussion last night, then maybe you should go and reread the thread again.

Here's the link for your convenience

http://www.worthyboards.com/index.php?showtopic=55591

Thanks, but I've spent plenty of time in that thread And that was an entirely different arguement, it just happened to be involved with homosexuality just like this one. If you must know, my original question in that thread was never answered without being muddied by prejudice.

I am trying to break homosexuality down to its fundamental issue: commiting a sexual act that some would argue is viewed as a sin in the Bible.

So what is it? It is a sin.

A sin should be dealt with just like any other sin; with repentance and forgiveness.

However, homosexuality is always jumbled up with other things. People call homosexuals 'unrepentant', 'evil people', 'wicked'. You are associating different things onto a simple concept of sin. Once you do that, it becomes easier to treat homosexuality as something much worse than it actually is, because you associate a sense of unrepentance and evil with the people involved.

If you stop doing this, the issue becomes much more clear. You begin looking at them as humans instead of followers of satan.

[Zceiv]

I don't take anything serious these wicked people say.

Sounds to me like you are associating the people with the sins they are commiting...

Love the sinner, hate the sin?

That doesn't change the fact that they are still wicked.

Using that logic, then we are all wicked by default, because we have all sinned.

They are wicked unrepentant sinners period, whom we love just the same, but are called to rebuke and speak out against.

I don't understand why you beleive homosexuals are necessarily unrepentant? They have commited sins, just as we have commited sins. Therefore, what is the fundamental difference between them, and between you for example?

Enlighten me please.

pardon my intrusion. could it be because repentance is not just asking God for forgivness? but perhaps to turn from your sins?

Like when jesus told the adulter "Go and sin no more" he didnt say "ok your forgiven"

[Joshua-777]

Wow, thats pretty sad, I really hope this doesn't pass, I was hoping to get through college before I have my first kid.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

So what is it?

Actually God calls it an Abomination.

Peace,

Dave

[Oh Hamburgers!]

I don't take anything serious these wicked people say.

Sounds to me like you are associating the people with the sins they are commiting...

Love the sinner, hate the sin?

That doesn't change the fact that they are still wicked.

Using that logic, then we are all wicked by default, because we have all sinned.

They are wicked unrepentant sinners period, whom we love just the same, but are called to rebuke and speak out against.

I don't understand why you beleive homosexuals are necessarily unrepentant? They have commited sins, just as we have commited sins. Therefore, what is the fundamental difference between them, and between you for example?

Enlighten me please.

I think you were "enlightened" enough last night in another thread regarding homosexuals. If you haven't gotten it by now, after all the discussion last night, then maybe you should go and reread the thread again.

Here's the link for your convenience

http://www.worthyboards.com/index.php?showtopic=55591

Thanks, but I've spent plenty of time in that thread And that was an entirely different arguement, it just happened to be involved with homosexuality just like this one. If you must know, my original question in that thread was never answered without being muddied by prejudice.

I am trying to break homosexuality down to its fundamental issue: commiting a sexual act that some would argue is viewed as a sin in the Bible.

So what is it? It is a sin.

A sin should be dealt with just like any other sin; with repentance and forgiveness.

However, homosexuality is always jumbled up with other things. People call homosexuals 'unrepentant', 'evil people', 'wicked'. You are associating different things onto a simple concept of sin. Once you do that, it becomes easier to treat homosexuality as something much worse than it actually is, because you associate a sense of unrepentance and evil with the people involved.

If you stop doing this, the issue becomes much more clear. You begin looking at them as humans instead of followers of satan.

Beating the same ol' dead horse again, tho changing the wording, is not going to change the truth concerning the sin of homosexuality that was thoroughly discussed last nite.

You missed the point, these threads are NOT about if homosexuality is a sin, or if it isn't a sin!!! They are about policy!!

Last night's topic was about teachings ABOUT homosexuality being allowed to be taught, but people start saying it shouldn't be allowed because homosexuality is a sin, and they miss the entire point. Same here, people are basing their viewpoints off of association with the homosexuals as being bad, and base their answers off of that. Just because something is bad doesn't mean something that involves them must be bad.

I am trying to break down the associative notions of homosexuality because as long as strings are attached, there can be no debate, only rhetoric.