Lent

[Iryssa]

Doctrine and tradition are TWO differnt things

Lent is not scriptual there fore not required except by the catholic church

If you want to do it go ahead but don't try to convince everyone else that it is something that we need to do to get closer to the Lord or to repent more deeply or suffer for our sins (The price was paid for those 2000 years ago)

and I will not motrify my self it is not scriptual in fact it is prohibited and if I could remmber where it is found I would quote it

Yes you have the right to do it if that is what you wish to do, but to do it becuase it is required by man is unscriptual and not required in Gods Word

God Bless you if you feel the need

If we keep a daily relationship with the Lord we need not worry about it

In Christ

IreneM

We are not saying it is REQUIRED of anyone. Maybe that's how the Catholic church feels, but I'm not a part of the Catholic church.

[Guest Jude 1:3]

You know darn well.

No, actually I don't. Are we talking about the wafer god, which is re-sacrificed every Sunday; or are we talking about the God of the Bible?

[MeCajunboy]

Are there scriptual references for lent?

Possibly one or two in the OT speaking on "fasting" Note your index and go to "fasting"

But you might want to ask yourself also, "How many references are there on "leaders in the different denominations destributing the body and blood of Jesus, and how many times per day, week, or month??? Who would be correct, as each denom. has it's own take?

For instance, I chose to "fast" because I spend approx. $500.00 per year on coffee blends. Instead, now I use the monies from the coffee habit and donate to the "charity" of my choice. For this, I do not look to man for opinion.....I look to God! And I would "challange" anyone who agrees with the gesture to do a similar action!

Blessings

Cajunboy

[IreneM]

to give some thing up for Lent should be a personal choice

I personally do not beleive in the concept but thats ok I am not a catholic any more

Is some one does it do it for the right reasons not just becuase the chruch told you to is all Im saying

There are man made traditions that are not scriptual but do benifit a christian there are man made traditions that do not you be your own personal judge on this but remember not all believe in it and not all will not do it

Yes the Catholic chrurch thinks it is the one true chruch but Pope Paul said muslems would go to heaven becuase they worship the same God (I do not agree with that) so remember it is a man made tradition not a God ordered requierment

In Christ

IreneM

[IreneM]

show alittle Grace?

I think that is what this whole thing is about

Grace !!!!

Free gift and the price paid for our sins on the Cross

I don't need to keep paying the price for my sins be it for lent or any other time

I don't need lent to draw me closer to the Lord

and I don't need a tradition to know what the Lord did for me

If some of you think that I did not show Grace in my response please remember this

I was brought up catholic and still have nightmares so I may be a bit harsh on tradition verses doctrine

Sorry

In Christ

IreneM

[Mutzrein]

Would you believe that the guy to whom I lent my umbrella ACTUALLY RETURNED IT this morning after church? Things are looking up indeed! I like "lent." I love "returned" better. Life is so full of ups and downs, isn't it? The dogs bark, the golf balls pierce the sky, and the caravan moves on. Nevertheless, I don't plan to "lent" my umbrella to him again.

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

And there is scriptural reference too. In fact plenty of it. Example: Jeremiah 15:10 Woe is me, my mother, that thou hast borne me a man of strife and a man of contention to the whole earth! I have neither lent on usury, nor men have lent to me on usury; yet every one of them doth curse me.

Ya gotta laugh huh

[Metropolitan]

I've said all I need to. If the idea of the Lenten season is not a blessing to you, do not partake. If it is, then do so.

"One man esteemeth one day above another, another man esteemeth all days equally; let each man be fully persuaded in his own mind......and let there be peace among us."

I pretty much agree with that...I normally dont set aside a day for fasting and praying..If the Lent season allows me to do that, I see no harm...I dont think the argument is about whether it is good or bad(How can it be good for some, and bad for others, beats me still)...We are debating about the scriptural aspect of it...I hope we keep it that way

[Arthur Durnan]

Shall we not therefore cut to the quick? If your umbrella is about to be lent to someone, forget it! BUY him one at TJ Maxx instead. THAT'S as close as anything said yet re the Bible speaking to the myth of a "lent" doctrine.

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[MeCajunboy]

nope

It is a catholic rite not a biblical one

sacrificing something when the sacrifice was made 2000 years ago ?

We are saved by grace not by works and it was a free gift

We do not have to suffer in this life to enjoy the next

Yes we can pray and fast but we should do it so that no one knows we are doing it

In Christ

IreneM

Ma'am, Catholics do not fast to "be saved." Just like we don't depend on "religion" to be saved. It's just another way to "Reverence" Christ. There doesn't have to be "suffering" involved to "fast!" Actually, it can prove to be very healthy for one! It can also show a person how much strength he/she can have to resist what the body will crave for. It can be God helping us to help ourselves! And you don't even have to "fast" around this time of year.

[MeCajunboy]

show alittle Grace?

I think that is what this whole thing is about

Grace !!!!

Free gift and the price paid for our sins on the Cross

I don't need to keep paying the price for my sins be it for lent or any other time

I don't need lent to draw me closer to the Lord

and I don't need a tradition to know what the Lord did for me

If some of you think that I did not show Grace in my response please remember this

I was brought up catholic and still have nightmares so I may be a bit harsh on tradition verses doctrine

I too was "brought up Catholic" but many are educated only from efforts of their parents, who repeat what "their" parent did. I'm not saying that the Catholic does not need an overhaul. I'm saying that there are many "Cristians" that come out of the Catholic Church. And the people who were true Christians should be remembered for the "good" they did and do in any church; not the church! Without the people, the building will fall! And I do realize one has to travel a distance to find a "blessed" Priest. But with other denominations, you may have to do the same thing as well. And don't thing for a second that there aren't "homosexual" preachers/ or leaders from other sectors, or that that matter , that there are no "whore-mongers" among the leaders of other denominations as well.

Sorry

In Christ

IreneM