Idolatry

[Guest man]

As for if it's just an OT thing, it's not! Just read Revelation - Jesus still hates sin and our worship of other things.

Can you give any examples of these "other things"?

[nebula]

I'm not saying smoking and drinking is idolatry...I was just asking why there can't be a thread just for idolatry.

OK, I see what you are asking . . . but I do have to wonder why there needs to be a discussion on idolatry. That's almost akin to having a discussion on whether or not it's OK to murder or commit adultery.

If you need to know what the New Testament says about idolatry specifically to believe that God doesn't change....

Romans 1:18-25

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,

25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Rev. 9:20

But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk.

I honestly don't see what there is to discuss or question.

Matt 6:24

"No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."

[nebula]

As for if it's just an OT thing, it's not! Just read Revelation - Jesus still hates sin and our worship of other things.

Can you give any examples of these "other things"?

Money, people (ie. stars), human reason, . . . .

[Guest man]

Rev. 9:20

But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk.

I honestly don't see what there is to discuss or question.

Are you saying that none of this exists within the realm of the church?

[Guest shiloh357]

I'm a little confused here, man.

Not all sin is idolatry. Idolatry is worshiping something or someone over or as God. I do not see how smoking or drinking fit this category.

I understand that.

Someone asked why I would want to discuss one particular sin. Smoking and drinking are two totally different sins that are being discussed on these boards.

Some people think smoking is a sin and there is a thread for that one sin. The same goes for the drinking thread.

I'm not saying smoking and drinking is idolatry...I was just asking why there can't be a thread just for idolatry.

Idolatry is not a taboo subject. Using "idolatry" to bash the Catholic church is, and I think there is a veiled reference to a recent thread in which Catholocism was being trashed as being idolatrous being made in your question. You can talk about the sin of idolatry, but the problem is that we do not allow Catholics to promote Catholocism on this board, and we do not allow people to start up threads with the intention of bashing Catholics or baiting them into a debate that will cause them to violate the board rules by becoming apologists for Catholocism.

[Guest man]

I'm a little confused here, man.

Not all sin is idolatry. Idolatry is worshiping something or someone over or as God. I do not see how smoking or drinking fit this category.

I understand that.

Someone asked why I would want to discuss one particular sin. Smoking and drinking are two totally different sins that are being discussed on these boards.

Some people think smoking is a sin and there is a thread for that one sin. The same goes for the drinking thread.

I'm not saying smoking and drinking is idolatry...I was just asking why there can't be a thread just for idolatry.

Idolatry is not a taboo subject. Using "idolatry" to bash the Catholic church is, and I think there is a veiled reference to a recent thread in which Catholocism was being trashed as being idolatrous being made in your question. You can talk about the sin of idolatry, but the problem is that we do not allow Catholics to promote Catholocism on this board, and we do not allow people to start up threads with the intention of bashing Catholics or baiting them into a debate that will cause them to violate the board rules by becoming apologists for Catholocism.

I would prefer to leave denominations out of this. I would just like to discuss this subject in general.

I think I pointed out that I"m not pointing any fingers.

If everyone else is ok with this, there shouldn't be any problems.

[nebula]

Rev. 9:20

But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk.

I honestly don't see what there is to discuss or question.

Are you saying that none of this exists within the realm of the church?

OK, now I am trying to figure out how you interpreted that in what I said.

I do believe Jesus rebuked idolatry, though maybe not using this term, when He spoke to the 7 Churches in Rev. 2-3.

[Guest man]

23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man,

What does this mean to you?

[nebula]

Man -

I have no idea what you are attempting to get to with this thread.

It's almost 1 am here. I'm going to bed.

I'll leave way for someone else to get turned in your circles.

Good night.

[Guest man]

Man -

I have no idea what you are attempting to get to with this thread.

It's almost 1 am here. I'm going to bed.

I'll leave way for someone else to get turned in your circles.

Good night.

Yeah, you're right, it is getting late.

We can continue this tomorrow.

Goodnite.