Tithe,

[Eliyahuw]

Well since we are no longer under the tithe law your good to go!

How do you figure we're not under the tithe law??? Where in Scripture does it say that??? Even Jesus tithed. Even Paul tithed.

Show me Scripture that says we're not under the tithing law. Please.

Anita

The law was implemented to condemn man. When it was fulfilled a new covenant with man was made. In that covenant tithing was part of the OT and the temple was no longer needed. The curtain was rent in two and God no longer resided in the holy of holies but in mans heart.

The christian had the office of priesthood bestowed on him so there is no longer any need for OT tithing which was to support the priests. Since we dont' need priests any longer, as we are priests under christ, then whats left is giving what the Holy spirit lays on our heart.

We are no longer under the law. The commandments of christ made under the new covenant are what we live by of which include the same principals of the noahidic laws as well as the 10 commandments.

Christ pretty much covered them in his greatest commandment.

Specifically the little old lady that put two shekels into the Tithe box Christ made a example out of. The rich righteous jews that were going in where heaping gobs of money into the tithe box, yet he made it a point to say that she gave more than anyone there with her two shekels. SHe gave all that she had. Thats not a tithe, but a offering. THis is where Christ abandoned the concept of tithing and introduced offerings of the heart.

[Floatingaxe]

I used that as an excuse to not give to God what is rightfully His, but to my own detriment. When I decided to tithe, it required such faith! God has honoured His timeless promise that goes with that command! His promises have never ceased!

[graymousey]

Eliyahuw wrote:

"The law was implemented to condemn man. When it was fulfilled a new covenant with man was made. In that covenant tithing was part of the OT and the temple was no longer needed. The curtain was rent in two and God no longer resided in the holy of holies but in mans heart.

The christian had the office of priesthood bestowed on him so there is no longer any need for OT tithing which was to support the priests. Since we dont' need priests any longer, as we are priests under christ, then whats left is giving what the Holy spirit lays on our heart.

We are no longer under the law. The commandments of christ made under the new covenant are what we live by of which include the same principals of the noahidic laws as well as the 10 commandments.

Christ pretty much covered them in his greatest commandment.

Specifically the little old lady that put two shekels into the Tithe box Christ made a example out of. The rich righteous jews that were going in where heaping gobs of money into the tithe box, yet he made it a point to say that she gave more than anyone there with her two shekels. SHe gave all that she had. Thats not a tithe, but a offering. THis is where Christ abandoned the concept of tithing and introduced offerings of the heart."

Eliyahuw, I totally agree with you. Tithe no longer exists, only offering does.

FoC wrote:

"If the church wasnt so blasted wasteful, then they wouldnt need to use your tithe to pay mortgage payments and would put that money to more useful purposes."

FoC, I agree with you.

Also, the Apostle Paul was a tent maker, and he supported himself by working. He was helped though here and there by the offerings of the saints.

Tithe is not based on the pattern showed us in the NT.

We all should give whatever the Lord tells us, to the cause what He lays on our hearts; and that is called offering in the NT.

[sierra21]

I used that as an excuse to not give to God what is rightfully His, but to my own detriment. When I decided to tithe, it required such faith! God has honoured His timeless promise that goes with that command! His promises have never ceased!

Right on FA.

It's disturbing to me how many people wish to discredit the OT.

[jbbaab44]

I used that as an excuse to not give to God what is rightfully His, but to my own detriment. When I decided to tithe, it required such faith! God has honoured His timeless promise that goes with that command! His promises have never ceased!

You gave excuses because you were not filled with the Spirit. Your change of heart from the past, doesn't mean you straightened out your doctrine.

It is more blessed and more faithful to listen to the Spirit of things not seen. You can disagree, only if you think your spirit-led offerings aren't a sacrifice beyond 10%.

Edited March 13, 2007 by jbbaab44

[Floatingaxe]

I used that as an excuse to not give to God what is rightfully His, but to my own detriment. When I decided to tithe, it required such faith! God has honoured His timeless promise that goes with that command! His promises have never ceased!

You gave excuses because you were not filled with the Spirit. Your change of heart from the past, doesn't mean you straightened out your doctrine.

It is more blessed and more faithful to listen to the Spirit of things not seen. You can disagree, only if you think your spirit-led offerings aren't a sacrifice beyond 10%.

Yes I was filled with the Spirit. I have been Spirit-filled for many years. But I was holding out on God, because I had money problems and didn't trust God to pull me through in faith. Finally I cast it all on Him, and began to trust Him for everything and obeyed Him in tithing. Now things have become drmatically changed. No debt whatsoever, and a new job where I hadn't worked in years, and other pretty gigantic personal blessings that do not have anything to do with finances.

My doctrine is not my own---it is God's! His Word is forever....and so are His promises, and in particular, those promises that surround the tithe.

[Vickilynn]

Shalom,

It's so saddening to me to see professed Christians refuse the ENTIRE Bible as the Word of G-d. There is nothing in the Bible that does not apply to us today. Just because something is written before the book of Matthew in the cannon does not mean it is not applicable to us to live before the L-rd!

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

As for tithing, it is not "under the law" if you're talking about the Law of Moses.

Tithing was in existence BEFORE the Law of Moses.

GENESIS 14:18

And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. (KJV)

GENESIS 14:19

And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: (KJV)

GENESIS 14:20

And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all . (KJV)

This passage of scripture clearly shows us the principle and the law of tithing hundreds of years before the Mosaic Law was given.

Another example of tithing before the Mosaic Law was Jacob in Genesis 28:20-22.

GENESIS 28:20

And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, (KJV)

GENESIS 28:21

So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: (KJV)

GENESIS 28:22

And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee . (KJV)

Jacob made a vow unto God to serve Him and to tithe on all that the Lord would give him. Let us look at the end result of Jacob's life as a result of his tithing unto the LORD.

GENESIS 33:11

Take, I pray thee, my blessing that is brought to thee; because God hath dealt graciously with me, and because I have enough. And he urged him, and he took it . (KJV)

Everything belongs to G-d, not to us. We should give everything to G-d as He leads.

1 Corinthians 10: 26 for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it.

LEVITICUS 27:30

And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord. (KJV)

LEVITICUS 27:31

And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. (KJV)

LEVITICUS 27:32

And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord. (KJV)

We are to support those in full-time ministry:

1 CORINTHIANS 9:14

Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. (KJV)

1 CORINTHIANS 9:14

In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. (NIV)

LUKE 10:7

And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. (KJV)

1 TIMOTHY 5:17

Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. (KJV)

1 TIMOTHY 5:17

The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. (NIV)

[jbbaab44]

Yes I was filled with the Spirit. I have been Spirit-filled for many years. But I was holding out on God, because I had money problems and didn't trust God to pull me through in faith. Finally I cast it all on Him, and began to trust Him for everything and obeyed Him in tithing. Now things have become dramatically changed. No debt whatsoever, and a new job where I hadn't worked in years, and other pretty gigantic personal blessings that do not have anything to do with finances.

I understand that your giving is spirit filled now, but how could you say that you were spirit filled in the past, but were not trusting God? That doesn't make sense.

By the way, I don't doubt your blessings and neither should you about mine.

[Vickilynn]

I understand that your giving is spirit filled now, but how could you say that you were spirit filled in the past, but were not trusting God? That doesn't make sense.

Shalom,

Not that this has anything to do with tithing, but in answer to your question...

We can be filled with the Holy Spirit and still need to grow in some areas. We are not perfect when we are filled with the Spirit! We are always growing, maturing and learning and we will continue until we go to be with Jesus, or He returns for us.

Edited March 14, 2007 by Vickilynn

[jbbaab44]

Shalom,

It's so saddening to me to see professed Christians refuse the ENTIRE Bible as the Word of G-d. There is nothing in the Bible that does not apply to us today. Just because something is written before the book of Matthew in the cannon does not mean it is not applicable to us to live before the L-rd!

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

We both agree that all scripture is profitable, we just disagree on what the letter of the law is. i don't want to argue 1 tim. 3:16, because i stand on the same ground with you on that. I've never said that the pictures of OT tithing were not profitable for us. Just as i've never said physical circumcision and sacrifices were not profitable. ALL scripture/laws are profitable even though we don't literally practice the "letter" of it. We can learn a lot and apply the principles from abrahams circumcision and animal sacrifices. But also we can learn a lot and apply the principles of Israel's firstfruits, tithes, and offerings. But focus on what the OT taught. It didn't teach give10% or how to slaughter an animal for God, it taught spiritual sacrifice and spiritual stewardship. The principles of the OT are found in the lessons not the assignments.

As for tithing, it is not "under the law" if you're talking about the Law of Moses.

Tithing was in existence BEFORE the Law of Moses.

Gal 4:4-5

But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

"to redeem them that were under the law" - was this only referring to people starting from Moses, or did Adam need redemption from the law as well? Of course Adam needed redemption from the law just as much as Moses needed redemption from the law, just as much as Abraham needed redemption from the law. Remember the law was not new when God gave it to Israel and Moses - the nation of Israel was the one that was new. God's plan for redemption from the law started in Genesis 3, not with Moses.

Tithing was still under the law that we needed redemption from - the same law that included animal sacrifices.

Everything belongs to G-d, not to us. We should give everything to G-d as He leads.

It interesting you say this after you give the story of Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. I agree that everything belongs to G-d, but i want to point out how Godly was Melchizedek? In Abraham's example of tithing according to your assessment he gave 10% to a godly cause but gave 90% to the devils cause(the king of Sodom). That's just an interesting note to ponder, other than that, read russel kelly's book "should the church teach tithing" to discover the truth about the identity of Melchizedek.

We are to support those in full-time ministry:

I couldn't agree more