Spiritual Language (Tongues)

[Vickilynn]

Vickilynn has twisted what I said.

Shalom E-Gal,

Nope, he quoted YOU in your entirety, your words, not mine. No one twisted anything. He didn't even quote me. He didn't need to.

Here are your words, for which you stand accountable....

Well sweetie,

All the gifts ARE practised in the true church, of which I am a member. They aren't practised in the false church, thats the thing. My church is Christ's church or it is not church. My FELLOWSHIP is something more local, but it still has no label, and consists of Christians I have met homeless in my locality, Christians I know in my neighbourhood, in the local denominations, and Christians I meet on the internet etc.. etc.

[Openly Curious]

'Vickilynn'

'EphesiansGal'

All the gifts ARE practised in the true church, of which I am a member. They aren't practised in the false church, thats the thing.

'Vickilyn'

This comment above should be a red flag. Only the ones who speak in tongues are the true church?

Hmmmm, very telling. And not at all Scriptural. Test the spirits Brother, not every spirit is of G-d. Any Believer in Jesus who exalts the "gifts" above the Giver is not walking according to the Scriptures. That is in fact, making an "idol" of the gifts and not worshiping the Giver.

I think the comments that have been made here in reference to what EphesiansGal has been quoted as saying is a far stretch from what her intent was, by far. Nowhere in her stated quote above did she say or insinuate that only those who speak in tongues are the true church. Nowhere do I see that EphesiansGal is exalting the gifts of the Spirit above the Giver either. I would think from my dealings with you in another thread when you were speaking on different foods that you would know above all others that judging one for their beliefs is wrong. What you have said here is quite puzzling to me actually. If you personally want to deny all the spiritual gifts and the baptism of the Holy Spirit that is your choice but to try to get one to believe they are an idol worshipper somehow saying they are lifting gifts up above the giver when in fact they did not is just not right.

OC

[Floatingaxe]

'Vickilynn'

'EphesiansGal'

All the gifts ARE practised in the true church, of which I am a member. They aren't practised in the false church, thats the thing.

'Vickilyn'

This comment above should be a red flag. Only the ones who speak in tongues are the true church?

Hmmmm, very telling. And not at all Scriptural. Test the spirits Brother, not every spirit is of G-d. Any Believer in Jesus who exalts the "gifts" above the Giver is not walking according to the Scriptures. That is in fact, making an "idol" of the gifts and not worshiping the Giver.

I think the comments that have been made here in reference to what EphesiansGal has been quoted as saying is a far stretch from what her intent was, by far. Nowhere in her stated quote above did she say or insinuate that only those who speak in tongues are the true church. Nowhere do I see that EphesiansGal is exalting the gifts of the Spirit above the Giver either. I would think from my dealings with you in another thread when you were speaking on different foods that you would know above all others that judging one for their beliefs is wrong. What you have said here is quite puzzling to me actually. If you personally want to deny all the spiritual gifts and the baptism of the Holy Spirit that is your choice but to try to get one to believe they are an idol worshipper somehow saying they are lifting gifts up above the giver when in fact they did not is just not right.

OC

And thanks to you too OC.

I have experienced attacks of this sort happening as soon as I open my mouth to speak about the Holy Spirit, or to give the Gospel. It is never pleasant but it is predictable: these are important issues in the church and the devil doesn't like anyone to learn about the power of God.

The real casualty here is Matthew I am afraid, and of course any others who have been taken in by this particular kind of mischief-making.

Grateful of your comments.

Love, EphesiansGal

Me too! I just count it all joy...

[Vickilynn]

'Vickilynn'

'EphesiansGal'

All the gifts ARE practised in the true church, of which I am a member. They aren't practised in the false church, thats the thing.

'Vickilyn'

This comment above should be a red flag. Only the ones who speak in tongues are the true church?

Hmmmm, very telling. And not at all Scriptural. Test the spirits Brother, not every spirit is of G-d. Any Believer in Jesus who exalts the "gifts" above the Giver is not walking according to the Scriptures. That is in fact, making an "idol" of the gifts and not worshiping the Giver.

I think the comments that have been made here in reference to what EphesiansGal has been quoted as saying is a far stretch from what her intent was, by far. Nowhere in her stated quote above did she say or insinuate that only those who speak in tongues are the true church. Nowhere do I see that EphesiansGal is exalting the gifts of the Spirit above the Giver either. I would think from my dealings with you in another thread when you were speaking on different foods that you would know above all others that judging one for their beliefs is wrong. What you have said here is quite puzzling to me actually. If you personally want to deny all the spiritual gifts and the baptism of the Holy Spirit that is your choice but to try to get one to believe they are an idol worshipper somehow saying they are lifting gifts up above the giver when in fact they did not is just not right.

OC

Shalom OC,

And you are entitled to your opinion of her meaning as I am to mine. You don't know her intent any more than I do. We only have her written words. This is how they sounded to me and if E-Gal wished to clarify her meaning she could have with grace rather than attacking. She has not chosen to do so.

We all can ASSUME we know what someone's intent is, but none of us except the poster knows for sure. And as everyone knows words come across differently to different readers. When one has been misunderstood, they usually try to explain (I know I did that myself hundreds of times) instead of attacking.

[Vickilynn]

I am Pentecostal, and make no bones about it, ...

Shalom,

What does that have to do with anything? Why is being labeled anything important?

I am a Born-Again, Spirit-Filled, Bible-Believing Child of King Jesus. That's enough for me.

This denominationalism is just more dividing the Body and actually has nothing to do with the topic as far as I'm concerned.

[Vickilynn]

If you personally want to deny all the spiritual gifts and the baptism of the Holy Spirit that is your choice ...

Shalom OC,

I don't know where you ever got that idea. I have never denied the Baptism of the Holy Spirit nor any of the Spiritual gifts. In any post, anywhere. Please go back and read my posts if you are unsure. I would ask you to please show me where I ever denied either.

I take issue with and refute the definition that some here are preaching as "the Baptism of the Holy Spirit" (a secondary one) which is not the one I find in the Scriptures. I have said this repeatedly, I believe we are filled with, baptized with and indwelt in and of the Holy Spirit when we are saved. The more we submit ourselves to Him and allow Him to have control in our lives, the more manifestation of Him we will see, including spiritual gifts. If you go back and read my posts, you will see this is what I have said consistently.

So, you have either not read my posts, or misunderstood them and I hope that I have clarified my position for you.

[Vickilynn]

...because I imagine I already feel another backlash coming...

Shalom,

Wrong again! Sorry! Your post is simply your opinion. Everyone has one, and mine is just as valid as yours, even if you don't think so. It really doesn't matter actually. I have been skipping most of your posts because you post as if your opinion is the only right one. You have your opinion and I have mine. Your take on it is yours and mine is mine.

If you think this is a "backlash" you are again wrong. I am simply explaining my position, since you have misrepresented it.

[Vickilynn]

If someone is so bothered by the group they belong to that they feel the need to hide it, perhaps they should leave.

Shalom,

Oh my, you are too funny!

That's not your business or your call to make.

I'm back to skipping your posts, so save your replies for those who are interested in arguing with you.

[matthew4:4]

'Vickilynn'

'EphesiansGal'

All the gifts ARE practised in the true church, of which I am a member. They aren't practised in the false church, thats the thing.

'Vickilyn'

This comment above should be a red flag. Only the ones who speak in tongues are the true church?

Hmmmm, very telling. And not at all Scriptural. Test the spirits Brother, not every spirit is of G-d. Any Believer in Jesus who exalts the "gifts" above the Giver is not walking according to the Scriptures. That is in fact, making an "idol" of the gifts and not worshiping the Giver.

I think the comments that have been made here in reference to what EphesiansGal has been quoted as saying is a far stretch from what her intent was, by far. Nowhere in her stated quote above did she say or insinuate that only those who speak in tongues are the true church. Nowhere do I see that EphesiansGal is exalting the gifts of the Spirit above the Giver either. I would think from my dealings with you in another thread when you were speaking on different foods that you would know above all others that judging one for their beliefs is wrong. What you have said here is quite puzzling to me actually. If you personally want to deny all the spiritual gifts and the baptism of the Holy Spirit that is your choice but to try to get one to believe they are an idol worshipper somehow saying they are lifting gifts up above the giver when in fact they did not is just not right.

OC

And thanks to you too OC.

I have experienced attacks of this sort happening as soon as I open my mouth to speak about the Holy Spirit, or to give the Gospel. It is never pleasant but it is predictable: these are important issues in the church and the devil doesn't like anyone to learn about the power of God.

The real casualty here is Matthew I am afraid, and of course any others who have been taken in by this particular kind of mischief-making.

Grateful of your comments.

Love, EphesiansGal

Ephesians girl,

I understand that your intent is good but do not accuse me and others of mischief-making because of the fact we disagree with you. Through what you guys say it seems my argument is becoming stronger. Through lots of research, conversations, and observation I believe that the gifts are not being distributed today. And you say that the devil is happy people believe this but what if its the other way around, what if the devil is the one promoting these gifts and all the false prophets that accompany them? His way of disabling the church.

Look at the fact that none of you have even showed me any significant biblical evidence. Constantly giving your own personal testimonies does not prove a thing. The verses you have showed me are not in any position to give the kind of assumption you guys make. Show me more about some personal prayer language.

Regarding one of those personal experiences. One of you said that your pastor basically did the whole "slain in the spirit" thing which is a false practice right there. There is no proof of people being slain in the spirit in the Bible. In fact I could tell you who made it up in the first place.

Anyway, if you guys are going to try to convince me of the opinion that there is a "prayer language" then atleast give me some proof. Thanks. Your brother in Christ, matthew

[matthew4:4]

If there is no love, no grace, there is no work of the Holy Spirit.

Here is another Vickilynn one-liner. Is there love and grace in her latest comments?

Alright lets stop this. By saying stuff like this you are attacking her. It is true what she said there so lets just leave it be and stop ganging up on one another. Peace, matthew