Are we commanded to cut our hair or not?

[Vickilynn]

Sorry, but you have lost any moral ground to accuse anyone of anything. As has been adequately demonsrated you have not only done to me what you claim is wrong for me to do, but you even crossed the line by denigrating fellow believers by posting an article that equates long haired Christian men with being like decaying, rotting flesh. Even worse the author of that article equates having long hair with the demonic, adding further unnecessary denigration and unChristian behavior. I could go on about what is wrong about that author's position, but I have sufficiently made the case.

You needn't feel compelled to point a finger at me about anything. Your responses and articles are the antithesis of grace, and you have lost what credibility in this issue you might have had.

Shalom Shiloh,

Whatever your problem is, it isn't with me. I am sorry you are so upset, but you wrote the words, you must account for them.

As for judging the grace in my posts, you are not one that I can take instruction from since you are the one who is attacking those views you disagree with.

Also, if you read carefully, I said that I did not agree with the views in the article, but that there were things to think about in it. Whether you agree or not is up to you, Whether you get your socks in a knot is up to you. The bottom line is Shiloh, you are not G-d, nor are you infallible. If you do not wish to discuss with people who disagree with you, that's your choice as well, but I am compelled to tell you that this is not Christ-like behavior.

Edited April 9, 2007 by Vickilynn

[Guest Biblicist]

[Floatingaxe]

Sorry, but you have lost any moral ground to accuse anyone of anything. As has been adequately demonsrated you have not only done to me what you claim is wrong for me to do, but you even crossed the line by denigrating fellow believers by posting an article that equates long haired Christian men with being like decaying, rotting flesh. Even worse the author of that article equates having long hair with the demonic, adding further unnecessary denigration and unChristian behavior. I could go on about what is wrong about that author's position, but I have sufficiently made the case.

You needn't feel compelled to point a finger at me about anything. Your responses and articles are the antithesis of grace, and you have lost what credibility in this issue you might have had.

Shalom Shiloh,

Whatever your problem is, it isn't with me. I am sorry you are so upset, but you wrote the words, you must account for them.

As for judging the grace in my posts, you are not one that I can take instruction from since you are the one who is attacking those views you disagree with.

Also, if you read carefully, I said that I did not agree with the views in the article, but that there were things to think about in it. Whether you agree or not is up to you, Whether you get your socks in a knot is up to you. The bottom line is Shiloh, you are not G-d, not are you infallible. If you do not wish to discuss with people who disagree with you, that's your choice as well, but I am compelled to tell you that this is not Christ-like behavior.

What are you talking about??? Shilo has been the portrait of restraint!

[Vickilynn]

What are you talking about??? Shilo has been the portrait of restraint!

Shalom FA,

I believe we have a difference of opinion on this matter. You are entitled to yours, as I am mine.

I don't consider calling other's Scriptural beliefs "Immature, unbiblical, carnal, petty, legalistic" etc. etc. etc. as showing Christian love and maturity in a discussion.

I don't consider telling others in this thread that they are 'wrong" because they don't agree with him as being the "portrait of restraint."

I don't consider some of the rude remarks to be filled with grace.

Edited April 9, 2007 by Vickilynn

[Guest shiloh357]

Whatever your problem is, it isn't with me. I am sorry you are so upset, but you wrote the words, you must account for them.

I have accounted for them, and so far, no one has presented viable example of what I have done wrong. You have accused me of something that is not wrong to do.

As for judging the grace in my posts, you are not one that I can take instruction from since you are the one who is attacking those views you disagree with.

Duh, well gee, that is what you do in debate. That is why it is called "DEBATE." You go after the view. I did not attack any person. I did not call any names, I did not call anyone's salvation into question, I did not denigrate anyone or equate them with dead bodies or demons; that was the work of the author you presented. Debate is about attacking points of view and the arguments of your opponents. That is what happens in the real world. This is not just a benign discussion. This entire thread has been a debate. I have not said anything or done anything to be ashamed of. I have remained within the parameters of debate, and confined my remarks to debating the issue. I have not said that anyone disagreed with me was a bad person or did not have a right to express their views. Again, I challenge you to present ONE post of mine where I ever claimed that only my views should be expressed.

The bottom line is Shiloh, you are not G-d, not are you infallible. If you do not wish to discuss with people who disagree with you, that's your choice as well, but I am compelled to tell you that this is not Christ-like behavior.

I never said I was God or that I was infallible. Now you are just being absurd. Nor, did I say that I do not wish to discuss, but I have presented the support for my view, and instead dealing with the information I presented, false charges were leveled aganst me, and I was accused of trying to throw out the Bible.

Of course, you refuse to acknowledge the lack of "grace and respect" in those actions since you obviously agree with their position to start with, which only shows the lack of objectivity you possess in this issue. When you visit your perfectionism on those who have falsely accused me, then you might have something to say to me. As it stands, you lost credibility with me a long time ago. You have nothing to say to me about "grace and respect."

[Floatingaxe]

What are you talking about??? Shilo has been the portrait of restraint!

Shalom FA,

I believe we have a difference of opinion on this matter. You are entitled to yours, as I am mine.

I don't consider calling other's Scriptural beliefs "Immature, unbiblical, carnal, petty, legalistic" etc. etc. etc. as showing Christian love and maturity in a discussion.

I don't consider telling others in this thread that they are 'wrong" because they don't agree with him as being the "portrait of restraint."

I don't consider some of the rude remarks to be filled with grace.

I've been treated rudely many times. You just have to get over it, petal...

[Guest shiloh357]

What are you talking about??? Shilo has been the portrait of restraint!

Shalom FA,

I believe we have a difference of opinion on this matter. You are entitled to yours, as I am mine.

I don't consider calling other's Scriptural beliefs "Immature, unbiblical, carnal, petty, legalistic" etc. etc. etc. as showing Christian love and maturity in a discussion.

I don't consider telling others in this thread that they are 'wrong" because they don't agree with him as being the "portrait of restraint."

I don't consider some of the rude remarks to be filled with grace.

My views were characterized in worse terms than that, but you refuse to acknowledge or address that.

I called manmade rules petty and legalistic, BTW. Man made rules that declare that men must have short hair to be pleasing to God is immuature, it is petty, carnal, legalistic, etc. I could come up with other terms as well. It is just like the Hasidic Jews who believe that they must wear the peyot (side curls) in order to be pleasing to God. That is also why they never trim their beards. It is based upon a misunderstanding of the Scriptures. This whole hair issue is just a bunch of legalism when we start declaring that someone is shaming themselves and the Lord if they don't wear their hair a certain way. It is just a bunch of nonsense.

They are not wrong simply because they disagree with me. They are wrong because the evidence presented demonstrates that they are wrong. It is not a case where I am right by default. I am right because the evidence supports my position, and so far, no one has presented anything that says otherwise. Those are not rude remarks they are simply true remarks made with evidentiary support.

[Vickilynn]

I've been treated rudely many times. ou just have to get over it, petal...

Shalom FloatingAxe,

Oh, I'm not the one who has been treated rudely. I'm just commenting on what I see going on in this thread.

I am personally not offended, nor am I taking up anyone's offense.

And, I have not even given my own view of the hair topic.

I am however, standing up for Biblical truth in what I see as ungracious and unloving actions and desired to post about it.

But you know, I just LOVE the way you said this....

You just have to get over it, petal...

I love it! Sounds very Southern and genteel. Like "Bless your heart!"

[Floatingaxe]

I've been treated rudely many times. ou just have to get over it, petal...

Shalom FloatingAxe,

Oh, I'm not the one who has been treated rudely. I'm just commenting on what I see going on in this thread.

I am personally not offended, nor am I taking up anyone's offense.

And, I have not even given my own view of the hair topic.

I am however, standing up for Biblical truth in what I see as ungracious and unloving actions and desired to post about it.

But you know, I just LOVE the way you said this....

You just have to get over it, petal...

I love it! Sounds very Southern and genteel. Like "Bless your heart!"

Thanks!

However, you forget about all the posts that were deleted and very personal, many of them insulting to me. What about those posters? Shilo hasn't posted one thing that is anything near ungracious compared to them. By virtue of the fact that his posts have been allowed to stand, it says a lot.

[Guest shiloh357]

I am however, standing up for Biblical truth in what I see as ungracious and unloving actions and desired to post about it.

You were the one who got all upset and offended all because someone called you "vic" in another thread. You simply don't have the kind of thick skin needed in a debate setting. You need to get used to it. There are all kinds of debates going on, and people are "attacking" other peoples views on this board in other places. It is the nature of the beast, and you need to just learn how to deal with the reality of a debate environment.