Who are we following?

[TheoMike]

Where I come from, we call it "discipleship." Sadly, a technique lost in most churches today. Which explains the sorry state of some believers.

Sadly very true. Instead of tending to believers like sheep, they are branded like cattle. (this is not in every place, but it is a true statment.)

Yeah, and treated like cattle...herded here and there, told what to do and how to do it with no teaching. What do you get? Mindless automatons who think they are serving G-d but in reality merely going through the motions.

Can I suggest we use "we" rather than "they"?

You may. However, some of us, in our walks with the Lord, have been discipled and taught and are striving to live for Christ and carry our respective crosses daily. This does not mean that we are perfect, nor does it mean we "get it right 100% of time." I think, the fact is, all believers are not the same, as you indicated in your post. Marnie's point and ruck1b's point is that there are some believers who stuck on the very lowest rung of the ladder, so to speak, because they have not been discipled. Those are the ones referred to. That does not include me, or, I suspect, quite of few of us here at Worthy. This is not pride talking, but one grateful for God's grace and mercy and for the transforming power of the Holy Spirit.

[hupo]

Where I come from, we call it "discipleship." Sadly, a technique lost in most churches today. Which explains the sorry state of some believers.

Sadly very true. Instead of tending to believers like sheep, they are branded like cattle. (this is not in every place, but it is a true statment.)

Yeah, and treated like cattle...herded here and there, told what to do and how to do it with no teaching. What do you get? Mindless automatons who think they are serving G-d but in reality merely going through the motions.

Can I suggest we use "we" rather than "they"?

You may. However, some of us, in our walks with the Lord, have been discipled and taught and are striving to live for Christ and carry our respective crosses daily. This does not mean that we are perfect, nor does it mean we "get it right 100% of time." I think, the fact is, all believers are not the same, as you indicated in your post. Marnie's point and ruck1b's point is that there are some believers who stuck on the very lowest rung of the ladder, so to speak, because they have not been discipled. Those are the ones referred to. That does not include me, or, I suspect, quite of few of us here at Worthy. This is not pride talking, but one grateful for God's grace and mercy and for the transforming power of the Holy Spirit.

Ok. It was a suggestion.

I personaly don't feel i'm any higher than other believers but hey! That is just feelings and they don't really count as the truth

You are most probably right in the way you see things. It is also a matter of character I guess.

I remember in the army I was always at the back pushing people that were struggling. There were those who were setting the pace up front and I guess you need both types.

Blessings in HIM

[Floatingaxe]

A friend of mine told me about one of the topics on a seminar she attended, that was most interesting and touching...

The seminar leader mentioned something to the effect of "Many believers are trying to be like other believers rather than be like Yeshua"

Do you find this to be true in your community/church?

For me it is definatly something to pray about.....

Haven't been around for a while so I hope you don't mind me jumping right in.

Blessings

We are to emulate Christ. We are also to emulate those around us who look like Him, namely our leaders. That is why God sends us people who lead us, and disciple us. We are to be an example to others, and carry on in discipling.

[Marnie]

Where I come from, we call it "discipleship." Sadly, a technique lost in most churches today. Which explains the sorry state of some believers.

Sadly very true. Instead of tending to believers like sheep, they are branded like cattle. (this is not in every place, but it is a true statment.)

Yeah, and treated like cattle...herded here and there, told what to do and how to do it with no teaching. What do you get? Mindless automatons who think they are serving G-d but in reality merely going through the motions.

Can I suggest we use "we" rather than "they"?

You may. However, some of us, in our walks with the Lord, have been discipled and taught and are striving to live for Christ and carry our respective crosses daily. This does not mean that we are perfect, nor does it mean we "get it right 100% of time." I think, the fact is, all believers are not the same, as you indicated in your post. Marnie's point and ruck1b's point is that there are some believers who stuck on the very lowest rung of the ladder, so to speak, because they have not been discipled. Those are the ones referred to. That does not include me, or, I suspect, quite of few of us here at Worthy. This is not pride talking, but one grateful for God's grace and mercy and for the transforming power of the Holy Spirit.

Ok. It was a suggestion.

I personaly don't feel i'm any higher than other believers but hey! That is just feelings and they don't really count as the truth

You are most probably right in the way you see things. It is also a matter of character I guess.

I remember in the army I was always at the back pushing people that were struggling. There were those who were setting the pace up front and I guess you need both types.

Blessings in HIM

What a great analogy!

[hupo]

We are to emulate Christ. We are also to emulate those around us who look like Him, namely our leaders. That is why God sends us people who lead us, and disciple us. We are to be an example to others, and carry on in discipling.

I agree with you that God sent us leaders to lead. Trouble is sometimes those leaders are not what we need, to put it mildly.

I personally know a (married) pastor who had an affair with the worship leader. They are....were.... both leaders and people followed them.

Their conduct put that particular church into shock (some 250 people!) for a long time....

Scripture tells us that teachers who lead people astray will be more severely punished .

We saw that with Moses who wasn't allowed into the promised land.

We need to pray for our leaders, when they are "on-line" and maybe more so when they go astray, but the bottom line is, it is Yeshua who we ultimately need to follow.

Blessings

[MeCajunboy]

A friend of mine told me about one of the topics on a seminar she attended, that was most interesting and touching...

The seminar leader mentioned something to the effect of "Many believers are trying to be like other believers rather than be like Yeshua"

Do you find this to be true in your community/church?

For me it is definatly something to pray about.....

Haven't been around for a while so I hope you don't mind me jumping right in.

Blessings

My biggest concern for people is that they are not bound solidly in God's Word, and they don't want to take the time and effort to get to know or study the Bible. Or they are not sure about the "voice" they hear within theirselves or don't want to do what they are being commanded because they don't trust their conscious/insticts. I can assure you, anyone who puts in the time/effort to study and get to know/pray to God the Father through HIS son Jesus the Christ, will not make too very many mistakes/sins if they allow themselves to be led by their spirit/conscious. Anyone who can't see this is not being honest with thier own spirit.....But it's all about TIME and EFFORT on your part....That and in God's own time.....But you will learn to see this in time as well !

[Floatingaxe]

We are to emulate Christ. We are also to emulate those around us who look like Him, namely our leaders. That is why God sends us people who lead us, and disciple us. We are to be an example to others, and carry on in discipling.

I agree with you that God sent us leaders to lead. Trouble is sometimes those leaders are not what we need, to put it mildly.

I personally know a (married) pastor who had an affair with the worship leader. They are....were.... both leaders and people followed them.

Their conduct put that particular church into shock (some 250 people!) for a long time....

Scripture tells us that teachers who lead people astray will be more severely punished .

We saw that with Moses who wasn't allowed into the promised land.

We need to pray for our leaders, when they are "on-line" and maybe more so when they go astray, but the bottom line is, it is Yeshua who we ultimately need to follow.

Blessings

Never mind pointing fingers at the bad leaders. Find a worthy one and follow as God would have you do. He doesn't train up Godly leaders for you to look at.

[hupo]

A friend of mine told me about one of the topics on a seminar she attended, that was most interesting and touching...

The seminar leader mentioned something to the effect of "Many believers are trying to be like other believers rather than be like Yeshua"

Do you find this to be true in your community/church?

For me it is definatly something to pray about.....

Haven't been around for a while so I hope you don't mind me jumping right in.

Blessings

My biggest concern for people is that they are not bound solidly in God's Word, and they don't want to take the time and effort to get to know or study the Bible. Or they are not sure about the "voice" they hear within theirselves or don't want to do what they are being commanded because they don't trust their conscious/insticts. I can assure you, anyone who puts in the time/effort to study and get to know/pray to God the Father through HIS son Jesus the Christ, will not make too very many mistakes/sins if they allow themselves to be led by their spirit/conscious. Anyone who can't see this is not being honest with thier own spirit.....But it's all about TIME and EFFORT on your part....That and in God's own time.....But you will learn to see this in time as well !

Your concern for people is well grounded in facts of life, unfortunately. Yet you seem to imply that we need to use our strength to get somewhere with God........ and I apologize if I misunderstood you......

"But it's all about TIME and EFFORT on your part" ...

Is this what God wants of us? If I'm not mistaken, God wants us to have Faith in Him..... when we do, the Spirit works in us and there is no effort needed from us. The effort only comes when we don't quite trust God, and think we can do it ourselves.

Blessings

[hupo]

We are to emulate Christ. We are also to emulate those around us who look like Him, namely our leaders. That is why God sends us people who lead us, and disciple us. We are to be an example to others, and carry on in discipling.

I agree with you that God sent us leaders to lead. Trouble is sometimes those leaders are not what we need, to put it mildly.

I personally know a (married) pastor who had an affair with the worship leader. They are....were.... both leaders and people followed them.

Their conduct put that particular church into shock (some 250 people!) for a long time....

Scripture tells us that teachers who lead people astray will be more severely punished .

We saw that with Moses who wasn't allowed into the promised land.

We need to pray for our leaders, when they are "on-line" and maybe more so when they go astray, but the bottom line is, it is Yeshua who we ultimately need to follow.

Blessings

Never mind pointing fingers at the bad leaders. Find a worthy one and follow as God would have you do. He doesn't train up Godly leaders for you to look at.

Finding a worthy one seems to be quite a feat some times.........

[Guest]

Still True?

"The Way, The Truth and The Life"

JESUS

Manna From Above

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

[9] As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

[16] Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

These things I command you, that ye love one another.

If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.

He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

Yeshua! Yeshua! Yeshua!

Love, Joe