Can someone be a "saved" Christian and give merit to evoluti

[Guest]

I think pure theistic evolution ends up becoming indefensible for the Orthodox believer. Theistic evolution is going to say that God established the basis for everything and then let it go from there. In other words, His hand was not involved in the process. Under this view, Christians then have to explain evil, the fall of man, how to deal without a literal Adam and Eve, etc. Theologically, it becomes completely indefensible. That isn't to say they aren't saved, just that they'll have a very hard time explaining the Christian faith.

Well Said!

Good Think, Brother!

My All Time favorite thread at Worthy "If You're New Here Please Read" is currently showing scriptures which just break my heart!

http://www.worthyboards.com/index.php?showtopic=57193

I see myself within these scriptures and I take them very personal.

I also see my brothers and my sisters within them and I rejoice and I pray.

Many of these scriptures cause my spirit to cry out to The Lord for His Grace and for His Protection to cover and to enlighten our minds and our hearts with The Spirit of Jesus.

My prayer always is for The LORD Jesus to rein within my heart and yours and for us to eternally abide within Him!

I find within my being a growing deep anger at the demonic powers that blind this world to The Lord Jesus and that bedevil my dear family.

I rejoice in the sure promise that The One called Worthy will stomp the head of this monster once and for all!

Come Quickly Lord Jesus, Come Quickly!

Hallelujah!

So, with a heart of joy and thanksgiving to my LORD for Worthy, Brother Keifer, The Servants and for all of my Dear Brothers and Sisters here, I will post a few......

Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, (Luke 1:68 KJV)

He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant forever: holy and reverend is his name. (Psalms 111:9 KJV)

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12 KJV)

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. (Romans 14:11 KJV)

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. (2 Peter 2:1 KJV)

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. (1 John 2:18 KJV)

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; (1 Timothy 4:1 KJV)

As anyone reading through the Faith and Science threads at Worthy may have noticed, I believe the last 100 plus years of evolutionary investigation has shown evolution to be a total scientific fraud.

The fossil record alone shows me this.

The new knowledge of Genetic programing sets my spoof alert up to red alert and pushes this fable into pure statistical "what-if" nonsense.

However, all that is just a minor consideration.

When I look at the mockery this fable makes of The LORD Jesus Christ and of the Blood shed for the remission of sin and of The Holy Scripture, I fear and pray for the children who feed upon this poison.

Evolution says No Adam - No Sin- No Creator God - Death Forever!

Literal Bible! Ha! Ha!

Adam The Sinner

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 5:12

Jesus The Savior

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Romans 5:8-9

Jesus The Creator The Binder of All Creation

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Colossians 1:15-17

Jesus The Peace

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Colossians 1:20

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Guest]

But FresnoJoe, in no way do I take my eyes off of our Lord Jesus Christ. I completely believe that He created all things, and was with the Father in the beginning. He certainly proved that in His Resurrection.

Dear Brother

I have never doubted The Love of The Savior for you.

I rejoice in my brother's relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ.

I eagerly look forward to the time we will meet and to the Good Times we will share as we worship our God together!

Hallelujah!

Rejoice evermore. Pray without ceasing. In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-18

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Guest]

Another splinter group will form eventually. new type of Christians will up hold the new science laws while the old time Christians will fight for their survival. Both will call each other short to the kingdom of God.

Nice try slick!

Not to Worry!

Try protestant against catholic.

both worship...:

One Spirit

One LORD

One God

Amen!

Hallelujah!

You are getting it!

All In Jesus!

All of Jesus!

PS: The Bible Is The Truth No Matter What Pew You Find It In!

Well Duh!

Try It! You Will Be Astounded! I Was! I Still Am!

Whatever you may tell yourself, brother JustAGuy, you are at Worthy to see Jesus.

My prayer is you will see Him and weep over your sin and rejoice at His Love

Thank You Father

Thank You Jesus

Thank You Holy Spirit

Thank You for my Catholic Brothers and Sisters

Thank You for my Protestant Brothers and Sisters

Thank You for My Hebrew Brothers and Sisters

Thank You For JustAGuy.

I lay my heart before Your Throne Oh Lord and weep for his soul!

Hosanna! Hosanna! Hosanna!

Oh How I Love Jesus

Oh How I Love Jesus

Oh How I Love Jesus

Because You First Loved Me!

Love, Joe

[Kabowd]

[Fiosh]

I see no problem with believing that when God created the world, He also put in motion the process of evolution. All the while He was lovingly in control of creation. At a time chosen by Him, God created a man and a woman and walked with them in the Garden. They were created in His image; He breathed their very life into them.

I honestly can't see the problem.

Peace,

Fiosh

[CSLewis]

What a bunch of crap!!!

How can they make the jump that evolution disproves the existence of God? It does nothing of the sort. Some economists during the industrial revolution used it to justify greed and now morality is somehow tied to it? And theology?

So these atheists make the assumption since evolution is true - there is no God. Some christians go along with this too.

If evolution is true - God doesn't exist- therefore we must attack evolution - instead of attacking this HUGE fallacy and leap of logic implored by these atheists who are dead wrong.

[Guest]

Its OK Brothers.

First Things First

The Message

For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

1 Corinthians 2:2

Then The Callings

The Victory

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Romans 8:28

I posted what I believe to be a really short Biblical view if Our Lord Jesus as our Creator and as our Savior.

The important point is Jesus our Savior.

The Truth Will Come Quickly!

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Revelation 19:11-16

Pray for the lost and the hopeless and for "The Peace of Jerusalem"!

Love, Joe

[systemstrike_7]

Maybe this topic wasn't such a great idea after all....

As one body of Christ, we Christians should not be pointing fingers at each other. (And I am very guilty of this; Sorry FresnoJoe )

An intelligent conversation concerning the validity of evolution under the control of God would be a much better choice of debate.

Whether or not our personal opinions prove to be fact is negligible. We are all saved under the Blood of Jesus Christ (those of us that have accepted His Blood of course).

So maybe this thread should end soon...

I personally think it would be best...

[Guest]

As one body of Christ, we Christians should not be pointing fingers at each other. (And I am very guilty of this; Sorry FresnoJoe )

To me a great thread can be where we become close family, forged in The Heart of His Word and in our quest for mutual understanding.

I do not count the blessings of fellowship I've enjoyed on this thread as anything less than a God Given gift and I thank The Lord for all who post or who just "drove" by and read.

I thank Undone for starting this thread.

I am blessed almost beyond measure by Systemstrike_7's passion for The Truth and by his defense of The Blood shed for the remission of sins.

Wow!

What a rowdy wonderful eternal family my Lord has given me!

Systemstrike7 brother, your testimony on this thread thrilled me.

I rejoice in you and in your Lord Jesus.

Keep On Keeping On!

Pop your Old Brother Joe if he misbehaves!

Maybe you can keep me on the straight and narrow, maybe not.

Because Jesus rules, love rules and that is, I believe, the true treasure found within this thread.

The unbelievers just add spice and hope into this merry mix!

They are welcome indeed and they may yet be with us before The Throne.

Thank You Dear Brother for your patience and for your fellowship and for your passionate testimonity!

Praise The Lord!

Love, Joe

[Carol R]

Depends on what you mean by evolution. If you mean the earth (geology) evolved over time through entropy and other factors, that species are millions of years old and the dinosaurs did exist before man, and that some species have evolved into other species for adaptability to the environment, then no, there's nothing wrong with that.

If by evolution you mean natural selection coupled with "random chance" formed the universe...or that naturalism rules the day and is a proper guide within the evolutionary camp, then no, a person cannot claim that and be a Christian. He must, at some point, give up one or the other.

AK,

Why do you say the first is okay? It obviously contradicts the Genesis account. I assume it may have to do with some of the scientifically "testable" aspects of establishing the age of the universe and our planet.

NOTE: As I type this, I am currently watching the Discovery Channel's, "Before We Ruled the Earth: Hunt or Be Hunted". These people throw around some of the wildest speculation of what man did before and after he discovered fire as though it were fact. They've painted a picture they like with a few of the actual puzzle peices and pass it off as science. It's insulting. They may as well make a sitcom of it because it's that laughable.

Hi Undone,

have you ever looked through Ken Hams stuff, ther is a web site www.AnswersInGenesis.org

You may find information there to help you.

Carol R