angels4u Posted January 18, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 55 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2004 If God couldn't forgive Judas for betraying Jesus, then why should I think He will forgive us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Calamity Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 I don't know what you're looking for, exactly in an answer, but it says he was lost that Scripture might be fulfilled, and in 2 Thess., it uses the same word as it does in John, for son of perdition. John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; ===================== NIV John 17 12While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled. 2 Thessalonians 2 3Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[1] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. But we are told in the Bible: 1John.1 [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So, I believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 18, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 18, 2004 If God couldn't forgive Judas for betraying Jesus, then why should I think He will forgive us? Well, there's no indication that Judas actually ever repented. He just let guilt take over and took his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChosenOne Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 I agree with Nebula. I fully believe that if Judas had repented then he would have been forgiven. But he never sought out that forgiveness. Instead he decided to end his life and seal his fate. God already knew what was in Judas' heart. Before Judas was even born God knew the role Judas would play in Jesus' crucifixion and God knew that Judas would commit suicide. In the same way God already knows the decisions we will make in our lives. But He lets us make our own decisions. God bless. ChosenOne Cheri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGR Posted January 18, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 8,601 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/04/1973 Share Posted January 18, 2004 Some actually say that Judas was granted entry into Heaven. I don't personally believe it, but I had some Baptist friends who did. They believed in OSAS and made the assumption that Judas was saved and said that he went to Heaven. Well, we'll see, but I just don't figure on seeing Judas there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endure4salvation Posted January 18, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 520 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/12/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1974 Share Posted January 18, 2004 The Apostle Judas Iscariot became a murderer, and 1 John 3 tells us that no murderer has eternal life in him. How it must greive God that he was so close to entering heaven and yet will miss out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGR Posted January 18, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 8,601 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/04/1973 Share Posted January 18, 2004 The Apostle Judas Iscariot became a murderer, and 1 John 3 tells us that no murderer has eternal life in him. How it must greive God that he was so close to entering heaven and yet will miss out. Yes, I'm sure it grieves God. Judas kissed the Door to Heaven and then chose hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted January 19, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted January 19, 2004 By his very acts after betraying Jesus judas showed that he did not believe he could be forgiven. Now we all know that to be forgiven through grace one must believe ones sins are forgivable. There are many people like judas out there in the world today they cannot bring themselves to believe in the grace of The Messiah Jesus. They think they have sinned too much or done things beyond forgiveness. The tragedy of judas is repeated again and again every day in this world. It all comes from a lack of faith in grace. All Praise The Ancient Of Days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsower Posted January 19, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,545 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/18/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/27/1968 Share Posted January 19, 2004 Judas was never saved. God knows what we will choose before we ever do and because blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin, once a person rejects truth they have made their decision and God blinds them. Look at Pharoah, Israel,--Judas. We either have Satan for a father or God, Judas rejected the love of God and in 2 Thess. it says that because they rejected the love of God He will give them strong delusion to believe a lie. God could have and would have forgiven Judas but he gave him a choice like all of us and Judas did not receive truth. God knew he wouldn't and chose him to betray Jesus, still Judas made his own decision. Amen Adstar-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted January 19, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 55 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 19, 2004 I fully believe too that if Judas had repented then he would have been forgiven. But he never sought out that forgivenessAmen--I believe that's the key, I don't think he was ever saved ... God knew his heart and that it was wicked and that he rejected the love Jesus had for him Angels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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