Feminism is anti-Christ

[Vickilynn]

Shalom Firehill,

Not the point of marriage, but it does say that women do not have authority over men in teaching. Blows the doctrine of feminism away.

1 Timothy 2

12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[firehill]

Forget the apple? What apple?

Are you refering to Job's personal custom?

Job 1:

5 When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would send and have them purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, "Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts." This was Job's regular custom.

Let's start with #1 that you offer in support of your belief. I'll begin with these two questions: What was the full word of God in Genesis and who was it given to? Can you provide a Genesis verse in the creation narratives that say or teach that Adam was accountable for God's word being present within his marriage?

yes. Adam was made accountable when he had to sacrifice an animal on behalf of his family (Eve and his children).

oh man. how do i even start explaining this through a forum? *shrugs* ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Start with scripture and verse. Start where Adam did the sacrificing please. Adam's children, Cain and Able offered their own sacrifices to God.

[Vickilynn]

There is no order of authority. Wanna look at 1 Corinthians 7 where the word is actualy used regarding husband/wife relations?

Shalom Firehill,

You are simply ignoring G-d's order of authority. It's been posted and re-posted. It's not going away.

1 Corinthians 7 speaks of sexual relations between husband and wife and does not speak to G-d's order of authority which is established by the Scriptures I've posted several times. You are missing the point based on the word "authority."

[Emily~Anne]

Firehill, you cant ignore verse 22 and 24 of Ephesians 5. There is no way around it. God's design for husbands and wives is that wives submit to their husbands. God's word makes that very clear.

[Vickilynn]

Firehill, you cant ignore verse 22 and 24 of Ephesians 5. There is no way around it. God's design for husbands and wives is that wives submit to their husbands. God's word makes that very clear.

Shalom Emily Anne,

Amen. How can someone say the Word doesn't say what it says clearly and plainly?

[firehill]

Apparently you misunderstood what I wrote which was:

Shalom Firehill,

You assumed wrongly. I did not misunderstand you at all.

Paul's understanding of submission in Christ begins in Ephesians 5:21 and he sums it up in marriage v.33. Further we are all to be servants/slaves of one another which is much more than submitting to one another.

So I'll rephrase it. The biblical principle that christians out to be servants and slaves to one another is a greater principle than their submission to one another.

Sorry, I believe you are missing the point of this thread.

We are to submit to our own husbands because they are our authority and we are commanded to submit to that authority. So, no I do not agree with your opinion that submitting to one another in general is a greater principle than the submission of wife to husband. I honestly believe that is an argument used to defect the truth of the Scriptures that we wives MUST submit to our husbands. There is no way around it.

Scripture and verse please. I'll stop asking for what you cannot provide here.

I didn't write that christian submission to one another is a greater principle than the submission of the wife to the husband. See my post above, again. The reason is because her submission is an example of christian submission to one another shown through Paul's beginning with v.21 regarding the concept and then borrowing the verb for v.22.

[Ovedya]

The Bible does not speak of "headSHIP". That is a modern English term.

Ah....Modern English in what sense? That term is well over 400 years old. How could it possibly be "modern" English?

Kephale means the literal head on ones shoulders. When it is used metaphorically, then it can either mean "head over" which is a picture of authority (what we might term "headship") or it can mean "head of" which is an entirely different picture of relationship. The metaphor of kephale in Ephesians is about the husband being kephale OF (not over) and the wife being the "body" OF (not under). The comparison to Christ as "head" OF (not over) and the church being the "body" OF (not under) is shown in the preceeding chapter four and in Colossians 2.

Epe. 4:15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head

[exrockstar]

Start with scripture and verse. Start where Adam did the sacrificing please. Adam's children, Cain and Able offered their own sacrifices to God.

well who taught Cain and Abel how to sacrifice?

can YOU find the verse where it may show when God showed Adam how to do a sacrifice?

besides, is this information going to do what for you?

i'm not sure what your looking for or what will make you content.

are you looking for equality or independance?

if the bible gives roles in marriage then that means there are different expectations from the husband and wife.

if your looking for independance then dont get married. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

[Vickilynn]

Scripture and verse please. I'll stop asking for what you cannot provide here.

Shalom Firehill,

Oh, you really ARE funny.

You've asked and received several times over, so yes, you can stop asking because you already have the Scriptural proof, you simply are ignoring it.

Again, the HEAD of the Husband is Jesus (see Scriptures I posted)

The HEAD of the wife is the husband (see Scriptures I posted)

The children are to submit to the parents (see Scriptures I posted)

That makes the Husband the authority in the home, over his wife and children.

You just can't ignore it.

[Ovedya]

I want to add a related word which helps to show that kephale denotes 'source, unity, provider of nourishment,' etc etc depending on the context.

Strong's #346

anakephalaiomai

'to sum up:--briefly comprehend, gather together in one'

Ephesians 1:9-10

RSV: 9For he has made known to us in all wisdom and insight the mystery of his will, according to his purpose which he set forth in Christ 10as a plan for the fulness of time, to unite (Greek, anakephalaiomai) all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

In this respect the RSV falls short, and actually (In my opinion) lends fuel to the feminist position. The proper rendering of the phrase in verse 10 is "head up.": "Unto the economy of the fullness of the times, to head up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth, in Him;"