Feminism is anti-Christ

[Vickilynn]

"Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, A Response to Evangelical Feminism"

Take some time to read it in its entirety online.

I suspect that those with a "doctrinal mind" will refuse to read it, since it may change their "comfortable paradigm," but what I've read of it appears very much right on the money.

Shalom Ovedya,

Beautiful!! Thank you for posting this.

One excerpt that addresses and sums up the Scriptural position AND refutes the arguments is this:

The Bible is also clear that men and women, who are equal with respect to creation and redemption and therefore share many things in common, are called to different and equally important roles in marriage and the church.

It is God Himself (as we shall see later) who has determined distinctive roles for men and women in order that thereby they may fulfill the creation mandate that He has given to mankind (cf. Genesis 1:28; 3:15-19).

God has called men to serve as leaders in marriage and the church, and women to submit themselves willingly to that leadership, as they labor together in their distinctive roles (Ephesians 5:23-24; 1 Peter 3:1-6; 1 Timothy 2:12; 3:1-13).

In defining how men and women are to relate to one another in fulfilling their respective roles, God has called men to exercise a headship that is loving, gentle, and considerate (e.g., Ephesians 5:25ff.; 1 Peter 3:7), and He has called women to submit to that headship in a willing, gentle, and respectful way (e.g., Ephesians 5:24, 33; 1 Peter 3:1-2).

[Floatingaxe]

As we will be co-rulers with Christ in the Kingdom, and as He Himself considers us brothers with Him, I highly doubt that the word "head" is correctly interpreted as authoritative head. He has given us all His own authority!

Head=origin, source.

You are pretty stuck in that interpretation, FA. Fact is, Christ is the head of the Body, and indeed of all things "unto the church."

He is also the Firstborn of [the new] creation, of which He was given the first place.

It would be ridiculous to say that the new creation is of equal status and stature as Christ.

Stuck? No. I stand on it, along with thousands upon thousands of other men and women, thank God.

[Ovedya]

As we will be co-rulers with Christ in the Kingdom, and as He Himself considers us brothers with Him, I highly doubt that the word "head" is correctly interpreted as authoritative head. He has given us all His own authority!

Head=origin, source.

You are pretty stuck in that interpretation, FA. Fact is, Christ is the head of the Body, and indeed of all things "unto the church."

He is also the Firstborn of [the new] creation, of which He was given the first place.

It would be ridiculous to say that the new creation is of equal status and stature as Christ.

Stuck? No. I stand on it, along with thousands upon thousands of other men and women, thank God.

The "thousands" of men and women who ascribe to the feminist position are, in my opinion, being deceived.

[Floatingaxe]

As we will be co-rulers with Christ in the Kingdom, and as He Himself considers us brothers with Him, I highly doubt that the word "head" is correctly interpreted as authoritative head. He has given us all His own authority!

Head=origin, source.

You are pretty stuck in that interpretation, FA. Fact is, Christ is the head of the Body, and indeed of all things "unto the church."

He is also the Firstborn of [the new] creation, of which He was given the first place.

It would be ridiculous to say that the new creation is of equal status and stature as Christ.

Stuck? No. I stand on it, along with thousands upon thousands of other men and women, thank God.

The "thousands" of men and women who ascribe to the feminist position are, in my opinion, being deceived.

Good thing that is only your opinion. Labelling it as a femisnist position is laughable. It is God's position.

[Marnie]

As we will be co-rulers with Christ in the Kingdom, and as He Himself considers us brothers with Him, I highly doubt that the word "head" is correctly interpreted as authoritative head. He has given us all His own authority!

Head=origin, source.

You are pretty stuck in that interpretation, FA. Fact is, Christ is the head of the Body, and indeed of all things "unto the church."

He is also the Firstborn of [the new] creation, of which He was given the first place.

It would be ridiculous to say that the new creation is of equal status and stature as Christ.

Stuck? No. I stand on it, along with thousands upon thousands of other men and women, thank God.

The "thousands" of men and women who ascribe to the feminist position are, in my opinion, being deceived.

Good thing that is only your opinion. Labelling it as a femisnist position is laughable. It is God's position.

I'm the curious position of agreeing with FA and Ovedya. FA, I am going to suggest that you are 100% correct, but that some of our authority will come after this life. This is the "now and the not yet" side of theology I m mentioned a few pages back; that we are "in" the kingdom now, and yet we "not yet." Therefore, while our spirits yearn to be made complete in Him in glory, our flesh has bound us in the here and now. And in the here and now, there is a Divine order that must be recognized and maintained. Having said that, I think my views on earthly "equality" are pretty clearly enumerated in this thread.

[Floatingaxe]

That is a very interesting point Marnie. One of the doctrines that has been popularized over the past 25 or 30 years is kingdom now. Pat Roberson was big into that. At first, I went along with it, but after studying the matter in scripture, found out it was false. I never really thought about all the implications that belief in this doctrine could potentially have. That it could come into play even in a topic like this.

So, you do not believe in walking in one's inheritance in Christ? Claiming all His promises? Accepting his mantle of authority He has given us, equally to female and male Children?

[Ovedya]

As we will be co-rulers with Christ in the Kingdom, and as He Himself considers us brothers with Him, I highly doubt that the word "head" is correctly interpreted as authoritative head. He has given us all His own authority!

Head=origin, source.

You are pretty stuck in that interpretation, FA. Fact is, Christ is the head of the Body, and indeed of all things "unto the church."

He is also the Firstborn of [the new] creation, of which He was given the first place.

It would be ridiculous to say that the new creation is of equal status and stature as Christ.

Stuck? No. I stand on it, along with thousands upon thousands of other men and women, thank God.

The "thousands" of men and women who ascribe to the feminist position are, in my opinion, being deceived.

Good thing that is only your opinion. Labelling it as a femisnist position is laughable. It is God's position.

I'm the curious position of agreeing with FA and Ovedya. FA, I am going to suggest that you are 100% correct, but that some of our authority will come after this life. This is the "now and the not yet" side of theology I m mentioned a few pages back; that we are "in" the kingdom now, and yet we "not yet." Therefore, while our spirits yearn to be made complete in Him in glory, our flesh has bound us in the here and now. And in the here and now, there is a Divine order that must be recognized and maintained. Having said that, I think my views on earthly "equality" are pretty clearly enumerated in this thread.

You are correct that the kingdom of God is within us as the kingdom people. Yet God's throne, His authority in the universe and in the church specifically will not change when the age turns. This is why we must establish God's throne within us, in this age; we must submit to His throne today, so that we can be His co-rulers in eternity future. I believe that the Bible is abundantly clear that God's divine administration is in the church, His Body, and that there is a very clear and established order within the design of that administration. That we as the members of Christ have the same authority as Christ in this administration within the church is without foundation.

[Ovedya]

That is a very interesting point Marnie. One of the doctrines that has been popularized over the past 25 or 30 years is kingdom now. Pat Roberson was big into that. At first, I went along with it, but after studying the matter in scripture, found out it was false. I never really thought about all the implications that belief in this doctrine could potentially have. That it could come into play even in a topic like this.

So, you do not believe in walking in one's inheritance in Christ? Claiming all His promises? Accepting his mantle of authority He has given us, equally to female and male Children?

I don't believe we are already in the Kingdom. I believe we are ambassadors of God's Kingdom in a sinful world.

In spirit, yes, we are absolutely in the kingdom. We are in the kingdom as the kingdom is in us.

[Floatingaxe]

That is a very interesting point Marnie. One of the doctrines that has been popularized over the past 25 or 30 years is kingdom now. Pat Roberson was big into that. At first, I went along with it, but after studying the matter in scripture, found out it was false. I never really thought about all the implications that belief in this doctrine could potentially have. That it could come into play even in a topic like this.

So, you do not believe in walking in one's inheritance in Christ? Claiming all His promises? Accepting his mantle of authority He has given us, equally to female and male Children?

I don't believe we are already in the Kingdom. I believe we are ambassadors of God's Kingdom in a sinful world.

In spirit, yes, we are absolutely in the kingdom. We are in the kingdom as the kingdom is in us.

Yes we are in the Kingdom. I also believe that men and women, boys and girls share the same heritage, inheritance, and same roles: ambassadors for Christ, shoulder to shoulder just as Adam and Eve were, as they were created to do.

[Ovedya]

That is a very interesting point Marnie. One of the doctrines that has been popularized over the past 25 or 30 years is kingdom now. Pat Roberson was big into that. At first, I went along with it, but after studying the matter in scripture, found out it was false. I never really thought about all the implications that belief in this doctrine could potentially have. That it could come into play even in a topic like this.

So, you do not believe in walking in one's inheritance in Christ? Claiming all His promises? Accepting his mantle of authority He has given us, equally to female and male Children?

I don't believe we are already in the Kingdom. I believe we are ambassadors of God's Kingdom in a sinful world.

In spirit, yes, we are absolutely in the kingdom. We are in the kingdom as the kingdom is in us.

Yes we are in the Kingdom. I also believe that men and women, boys and girls share the same heritage, inheritance, and same roles: ambassadors for Christ, shoulder to shoulder just as Adam and Eve were, as they were created to do.

As ambassadors for Christ, yes. Yet various in function, in ministry, and according to their proper part and order, as established by the King of Kings.