Feminism is anti-Christ

[firehill]

1 Timothy 5:14 Paul counsel's younger widows to marry and oikodespoteo, that is, the word is translated, 'be head of the home'.

*sigh*

The exegetical fallacy of equivocation...similar to the logical fallacy. "If one Greek word is used elsewhere in scripture in one way, then it must be used the same way in all of scripture." This is an amateur mistake.

This, of course, ignores the broader context of scripture. You cannot use scripture to combat scripture. I offered up verses that, without a shadow of a doubt, show the wife is to submit to the husband and that he is the proper head of the house. You offer up one verse, out of context.

The passage you are dealing with is with widows who are unmarried. In this instance, it makes more since that the word would indicate "manage" the family instead of "rule" the family. This distinction fits with the whole of scripture. oikodespoteo does not always mean "head of the home" but can also mean "manager." This means the purpose takes commands and enforces those commands, but is not the originator of those commands.

Regardless, what I now expect is for you to argue this point whilst ignoring all the scriptures I gave.

You are one who keeps saying that the husband is the head of the home and while it would have been easy for Paul to pen such using this very Greek word he didn't. There is a simple point that you've overlooked. If Paul wanted to say that the husband is the head of the home he could have used this word and then there would be no debate. The same is true that he could have chosen Greek words for authority and applied them to the husband but he never did.

[apothanein kerdos]

1 Timothy 5:14 Paul counsel's younger widows to marry and oikodespoteo, that is, the word is translated, 'be head of the home'.

*sigh*

The exegetical fallacy of equivocation...similar to the logical fallacy. "If one Greek word is used elsewhere in scripture in one way, then it must be used the same way in all of scripture." This is an amateur mistake.

This, of course, ignores the broader context of scripture. You cannot use scripture to combat scripture. I offered up verses that, without a shadow of a doubt, show the wife is to submit to the husband and that he is the proper head of the house. You offer up one verse, out of context.

The passage you are dealing with is with widows who are unmarried. In this instance, it makes more since that the word would indicate "manage" the family instead of "rule" the family. This distinction fits with the whole of scripture. oikodespoteo does not always mean "head of the home" but can also mean "manager." This means the purpose takes commands and enforces those commands, but is not the originator of those commands.

Regardless, what I now expect is for you to argue this point whilst ignoring all the scriptures I gave.

You are one who keeps saying that the husband is the head of the home and while it would have been easy for Paul to pen such using this very Greek word he didn't. There is a simple point that you've overlooked. If Paul wanted to say that the husband is the head of the home he could have used this word and then there would be no debate. The same is true that he could have chosen Greek words for authority and applied them to the husband but he never did.

Colossians 3:18 - "Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord."

1 Timothy 3:12 - "Deacons must be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households."

In other words, before a man can become a deacon, he must be a good manager of his household and children.

Titus 2:5 - "to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored."

1 Peter 3:1 - "In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives,"

[Neopatriarch]

1 Timothy 5:14 Paul counsel's younger widows to marry and oikodespoteo, that is, the word is translated, 'be head of the home'.

This isn't defining a wife's relationship with her husband. That is, a wife is not the head of her husband.

The woman in Proverbs 31 is a good example of a manager of the household.

Regarding managing the household, if my wife asks me to, say, take my shoes off at the door and such like, I have no problem with that.

-Neopatriarch

[rtwo]

1 Timothy 5:14 Paul counsel's younger widows to marry and oikodespoteo, that is, the word is translated, 'be head of the home'.

This isn't defining a wife's relationship with her husband. That is, a wife is not the head of her husband.

The woman in Proverbs 31 is a good example of a manager of the household.

Regarding managing the household, if my wife asks me to, say, take my shoes off at the door and such like, I have no problem with that.

-Neopatriarch

Exactly. I think where we get into arguments like this is from the assumption in some camps that every person who recognizes man's "headship" over the household is a wife-beating neanderthal. Clearly, this is not the case.

[Emily~Anne]

1 Timothy

5:14

Therefore, I desire the young women to marry, to bear children, to rule the house, giving no occasion to the adversary on account of reproach. GLT

This is the NIV, what version are you quoting?

I Timothy 5:14So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander.

I always took that as in to manage the home, as in plan menus, stay on top of laundry, discipline and care for children, etc., etc. I will never 'rule' my husband. That goes against SO much scripture!

[Emily~Anne]

1 Timothy 5:14 Paul counsel's younger widows to marry and oikodespoteo, that is, the word is translated, 'be head of the home'.

This isn't defining a wife's relationship with her husband. That is, a wife is not the head of her husband.

The woman in Proverbs 31 is a good example of a manager of the household.

Regarding managing the household, if my wife asks me to, say, take my shoes off at the door and such like, I have no problem with that.

-Neopatriarch

Ah, thank you!

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[firehill]

Yay for finding that verse that says the husband is the head over the family!

Does it matter? You'd argue with Jesus Himself if He gave the verses.

Regardless, just to show I'm a sucker for futility:

Colossians 3:18 - "Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord."

1 Timothy 3:12 - "Deacons must be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households."

In other words, before a man can become a deacon, he must be a good manager of his household and children.

Titus 2:5 - "to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored."

1 Peter 3:1 - "In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives,"

I mean, you can argue all you want that the context of Ephesians 5 doesn't allow for the headship of the man...but honestly...that's just ignorant to the rest of scripture.

Now you've done it. You know they have 'answers' for these verses as well.

In my experience, egalitarians like to deny that the word for 'submit' means submit. For reference, here are the instances of hupotasso in the NT. (I did an Englishman's Concordance search for this, and the results are in NASB)

Luke 2:51 ...came to Nazareth, and He continued in subjection to them; and His mother ...

Luke 10:17 ...joy, saying,

[firehill]

1 Timothy

5:14

Therefore, I desire the young women to marry, to bear children, to rule the house, giving no occasion to the adversary on account of reproach. GLT

This is the NIV, what version are you quoting?

I Timothy 5:14So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander.

I always took that as in to manage the home, as in plan menus, stay on top of laundry, discipline and care for children, etc., etc. I will never 'rule' my husband. That goes against SO much scripture!

GLT is Green's Literal Translation

The main point that I'm getting at for posting that verse is given in what I posted to AK:

You are one who keeps saying that the husband is the head of the home and while it would have been easy for Paul to pen such using this very Greek word he didn't. There is a simple point that you've overlooked. If Paul wanted to say that the husband is the head of the home he could have used this word and then there would be no debate. The same is true that he could have chosen Greek words for authority and applied them to the husband but he never did.

[Ovedya]

1 Timothy

5:14

Therefore, I desire the young women to marry, to bear children, to rule the house, giving no occasion to the adversary on account of reproach. GLT

This is the NIV, what version are you quoting?

I Timothy 5:14So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander.

I always took that as in to manage the home, as in plan menus, stay on top of laundry, discipline and care for children, etc., etc. I will never 'rule' my husband. That goes against SO much scripture!

Exactly! Management of the household does not equate to "head of the household." I personally manage a company that is owned by my boss. Yet when it all boils down, my boss is the head of the business.