Pentecostals please!

[exrockstar]

It isn't all done once you get saved, that is just the first step. There are many people who take that first step and never go any further. It is a continual process that people can, and sometimes do opt out of.

i just noticed that you added "do opt out of."

you added this thought. the scripture didn't say that. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

[childofthegreat_i_am]

This particular debate is the very reason I left the Pentecostal Church...

God's grace is sufficient to cover all sins. Period.

The church I attended taught that ANY SIN not specifically listed in prayer asking for forgiveness was enough to lose my salvation.

[Guest LadyC]

sooo.... you judge an entire denomination by the teachings of one pastor? lovely.

[IreneM]

a pastor once said this

"We can let go of God but God will not let go of us"

he said that we get angry at God we walk away from God but God is still there waiting patiently

protecting some times becuase, of our own stupidity. He is still watching over us and Waiting for us to once again take HIS HAND

I don't know about osas but I do know that the Lord promised to never leave us or forsake us

I also know that HE looks at the heart

In Christ

IreneM

[exrockstar]

a pastor once said this

"We can let go of God but God will not let go of us"

he said that we get angry at God we walk away from God but God is still there waiting patiently

protecting some times becuase, of our own stupidity. He is still watching over us and Waiting for us to once again take HIS HAND

I don't know about osas but I do know that the Lord promised to never leave us or forsake us

I also know that HE looks at the heart

In Christ

IreneM

i once said on this forum that salvation is not a tangible gift. it's not something you can grab and give back.

when scripture says "you were sealed with that Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13)" that is not a ziplock back seal.

that is a stamp on you that you are pronounced to be God's property. No one can break that. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

[Smalcald]

Yet we know that by our own efforts we are doomed.

If we have faith we will want to please God and the churches role is to help us do that and to lead others to Him. If you don't want to please Christ you don't have faith (regardless of what you may think). These works are simply confirmation of our faith they give us peace of mind and we do them because we want to do them, not out of compulsion. If you are doing them out of compulsion, fear or hope of reward you have a faith problem, and it is a serious one.

But to sit around and worry over my individual sins, forget it; I am totally corrupt I realize that and I will confess my known sins, and confess my unknown sins and offenses daily, and my faith tells me that I have total confidence that those sins are wiped clean. Not believing that Christ can forgive any sin, now that is the ultimate work of Satan. Any good I do is from Christ not from me anyway. We can have confidence, fear breeds resentment and judgementalism.

Anyway that is off the main topic, I like Pentecostals and an honest search for Holiness is always a good thing.

[exrockstar]

Jesus made the issue quite simple. Jesus Said He would not let Satan pluck a sheep from His hand. Notice, He did not say that He would not let a sheep escape. He did not say He would not let a sheep leave. He did not say he would hold a sheep prisoner. He let sheep enter his sheep fold by choice. His sheep fold is a voluntary place to be, not a prison. His sheep can enter one time, His sheep can leave one time. Jesus promised He would protect these sheep from attacks. Jesus did not say He would hold the Sheep prisoner. Jesus gives us free choice. That choice is never taken away from Us.

it's great to introduce a bunch of "if's." but i dont stand on "if's."

many people look for different ways to look at things. some buy it and some don't.

a sheepherder that has an open gate that let's his sheep wander in and out at their ownfree is not a responsible sheepherder.

theyre playing more of a door attendant. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

[methinkshe]

a pastor once said this

"We can let go of God but God will not let go of us"

he said that we get angry at God we walk away from God but God is still there waiting patiently

protecting some times becuase, of our own stupidity. He is still watching over us and Waiting for us to once again take HIS HAND

I don't know about osas but I do know that the Lord promised to never leave us or forsake us

I also know that HE looks at the heart

In Christ

IreneM

i once said on this forum that salvation is not a tangible gift. it's not something you can grab and give back.

when scripture says "you were sealed with that Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13)" that is not a ziplock back seal.

that is a stamp on you that you are pronounced to be God's property. No one can break that. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Jesus made the issue quite simple. Jesus Said He would not let Satan pluck a sheep from His hand. Notice, He did not say that He would not let a sheep escape. He did not say He would not let a sheep leave. He did not say he would hold a sheep prisoner. He let sheep enter his sheep fold by choice. His sheep fold is a voluntary place to be, not a prison. His sheep can enter one time, His sheep can leave one time. Jesus promised He would protect these sheep from attacks. Jesus did not say He would hold the Sheep prisoner. Jesus gives us free choice. That choice is never taken away from Us.

Yes, but Jesus DID say that if one of a hundred wandered away from the flock, the Good Shepherd would go and seek it and bring it home. Sheep, in Biblical symbolism, are always believers. Do we or do we not have a GOOD shepherd?

In Jesus,

Ruth

[exrockstar]

You must look at what Jesus said. He said He would not Let Satan pluck one out of His hand. He did not say He would keep them as prisoners.

that's fine if you want to look at things in a different light.

but we can talk about looking at things in a different light with tons of other scriptures.

there is a point here and I understand it. I dont want to add or introduce anything else to it.

I take it at face value.

every wonder why Christ uses sheeps?

Because theyre not the smartest of animals and they lack intelligence.

the sheepherder knows this. he has a responsibility to make sure it behaves properly in the flock.

[methinkshe]

a pastor once said this

"We can let go of God but God will not let go of us"

he said that we get angry at God we walk away from God but God is still there waiting patiently

protecting some times becuase, of our own stupidity. He is still watching over us and Waiting for us to once again take HIS HAND

I don't know about osas but I do know that the Lord promised to never leave us or forsake us

I also know that HE looks at the heart

In Christ

IreneM

i once said on this forum that salvation is not a tangible gift. it's not something you can grab and give back.

when scripture says "you were sealed with that Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13)" that is not a ziplock back seal.

that is a stamp on you that you are pronounced to be God's property. No one can break that. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Jesus made the issue quite simple. Jesus Said He would not let Satan pluck a sheep from His hand. Notice, He did not say that He would not let a sheep escape. He did not say He would not let a sheep leave. He did not say he would hold a sheep prisoner. He let sheep enter his sheep fold by choice. His sheep fold is a voluntary place to be, not a prison. His sheep can enter one time, His sheep can leave one time. Jesus promised He would protect these sheep from attacks. Jesus did not say He would hold the Sheep prisoner. Jesus gives us free choice. That choice is never taken away from Us.

Yes, but Jesus DID say that if one of a hundred wandered away from the flock, the Good Shepherd would go and seek it and bring it home. Sheep, in Biblical symbolism, are always believers. Do we or do we not have a GOOD shepherd?

In Jesus,

Ruth

We have The Good Shepherd. He will seek to to bring back the wandering sheep that belongs to Him. However, freely we gave ourselves to Him and freely we can reject Him. If one Rejects Him and no longer desired to be His sheep, then He can not guard it because it is no longer His. God gave us free will. At no point does He ever take this Free will away from us.

There were ninety and nine that safely lay

In the shelter of the fold.

But one was out on the hills away,

Far off from the gates of gold.

Away on the mountains wild and bare.

Away from the tender Shepherd