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[OopsMartin]

Oopsmartin, there are many things not expressely mentioned in the Bible, but we can apply them today. Here is an example. Phillippians 4:19 "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." Specific things are not mentioned by name, but we can certainly think of things that do fit into these categories, and things that do not. A hymn like "Amazing Grace" would fit into this. At the same time, a song like "Cop Killer" would not. A minister might apply this verse to say it is not good to feed on rap music with destructive lyrics, though there is nothing in the Bible stating directly that listening to a specific song is wrong. Someone could make the argument that since the song "Cop Killer" and rap music in general is not mentioned by name, they are ok. The same argument can be taken into movies with bad language. The Bible never mentions a prohibition on the f word for instance. Someone could argue that since the f word isn't specifically mentioned in the Bible, it is ok to use. All we are talking about is how to apply scriptures to the day we are living in, and if someone wants to, they can find a way to defend nearly anything.

Agreed. While the f word is not specifically in Scripture , vulgarity is.

Different subject than inserting predetermined ideas and looking to defend them.

[OopsMartin]

Let's look at another verse in Deuteronomy 22, verse 8.

When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.

That verse completely stands by itself, yet it is not hard to figure how to apply it. We don't have people walking around on our roof tops today, but we do have laws on the books that relate to leaving hazards laying around in our yards that someone could get harmed by. There are places in the Bible where individual commands that don't directly relate to the previous or next verse come up.

yes, and the first thing you may notice about verses like the above is that they are not seeking to establish eternal principles. In those days and the places where they were building, a battlement for the roof was a very good idea. It's just not an eternal principle. but we can glean some good ideas from it.

Actually, there is an eternal principle here. We are supposed to look out for the welfare of others when they come on our property.

LOL OK. Good gleaning.

At least you are not trying to say that everyone must make a battlement for their roof.

[OopsMartin]

Oopsmartin, there are many things not expressely mentioned in the Bible, but we can apply them today. Here is an example. Phillippians 4:19 "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." Specific things are not mentioned by name, but we can certainly think of things that do fit into these categories, and things that do not. A hymn like "Amazing Grace" would fit into this. At the same time, a song like "Cop Killer" would not. A minister might apply this verse to say it is not good to feed on rap music with destructive lyrics, though there is nothing in the Bible stating directly that listening to a specific song is wrong. Someone could make the argument that since the song "Cop Killer" and rap music in general is not mentioned by name, they are ok. The same argument can be taken into movies with bad language. The Bible never mentions a prohibition on the f word for instance. Someone could argue that since the f word isn't specifically mentioned in the Bible, it is ok to use. All we are talking about is how to apply scriptures to the day we are living in, and if someone wants to, they can find a way to defend nearly anything.

Agreed. While the f word is not specifically in Scripture , vulgarity is.

Different subject than inserting predetermined ideas and looking to defend them.

It is exactly the same thing. We are told in principle the type of things we are to think on, but not told specifically that certain words are sinful. If someone can claim that it is wrong to say pants are not mentioned in scripture as applying to only men, therefore they must be ok for everyone, then I can say the f word is not mentioned in scripture so therefore it must be ok. I mean, in reality, who determines what words are unclean and what words are clean? I could make a case that there is no such thing as bad words if I wanted to, but I think we know better.

Not the same application. It is common knowledge that using certain words is vulgarity. As vulgarity the Scriptures on vulgarity directly apply. Similar problem with modesty. which is probably better suited to the pants issues.

[apothanein kerdos]

Personally, while I don't use certain words we consider to be vulgar or unclean, I really don't think it is so plain as to the why? I have often wondered why certain words are considered wrong as opposed to others? In addition, why are some words bad enough to cause a movie to get a PG rating, while the "worse" ones get an R? The Bible never speaks to the subject of unclean words, but only speaks of cursing people. That could just as easily mean pronouncing evil things against them. I think that when it comes to any of these types of arguments, it comes down to how someone believes they apply to us today. Differen't people will come to differen't conclusions. Just recently, there was a controversy over the word for illegitimate child, which in my mind is not a bad word, but was offensive to someone else. This is just as much a matter or opinion as appropriate clothing.

By the way, what are the scriptures on vulgarity?

Butero, stop saying things I agree with.

Biblically, you are correct. If I were to say, "S---, that hurt" and just use it as an explicative, I would argue that it is better than calling someone an idiot and meaning it.

[OopsMartin]

Personally, while I don't use certain words we consider to be vulgar or unclean, I really don't think it is so plain as to the why? I have often wondered why certain words are considered wrong as opposed to others? In addition, why are some words bad enough to cause a movie to get a PG rating, while the "worse" ones get an R? The Bible never speaks to the subject of unclean words, but only speaks of cursing people. That could just as easily mean pronouncing evil things against them. I think that when it comes to any of these types of arguments, it comes down to how someone believes they apply to us today. Differen't people will come to differen't conclusions. Just recently, there was a controversy over the word for illegitimate child, which in my mind is not a bad word, but was offensive to someone else. This is just as much a matter or opinion as appropriate clothing.

By the way, what are the scriptures on vulgarity?

Agree in general. But I do think that the Bible speaks to vulgarity. Start a thread and let's look for them.

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But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

Ephesians 5:3