Great Book

[Guest Shilo]

I thought this part to be very touching...beacuse they have done this already through Hitler's time and they will be going through this again and we get to help them....it brought tears to my eyes....Here I am, Lord, send me....

It will be during the tribulation that God will try to bring forth children to Himself, out of all nations. Some will. But, sadly, many nations will not, and will be destroyed during this time. The anti-Christ will only receive power over a fourth part of the earth. So most of the stress we will feel in America will be the war, the rescue of Israel, and trying to warn others, that the end is at hand. But, it will also be a time that the Church will do more works for God than at any other time in the history of the world. There will be a lot of love among the children of God. God will also be performing many miracles to show His love for mankind. The people of Israel will be living with us, many in our own homes. It will also be a time of great blessing. Whoever blesses Israel, I will bless; whoever curses Israel, I will curse. He will bless us!!

This part here I thought to be very interesting ....it has not absorb into my brain as yet...I will have to do a study on this...

Revelation 12:2:

And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Here we see Israel about to give birth to a child in the time of her travail. As soon as this child is born, Satan tries to destroy it, Revelation 12:3-5, but the child was caught up to God and His throne.

In the past I believed that this child was Jesus, until I ran across this scripture in Isaiah 66:7:

Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

Now, this man child was Jesus. He came at a time when Israel was far from God. Their mouths professed Him, but their hearts were far from Him.

They thought they didn't need Him, and Jesus told them in Matthew 23:37-39:

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate (without children to God). For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

But, when Jesus comes back to Israel, she will have many children and will be looking for His coming with great anticipation.

The man child in Revelation 12 is not Jesus, but someone else. This child she has is the first fruits of her children, and God harvests the first fruits quickly to keep them from being killed by Satan. Now, you might say, this is a man child. Let me remind you that many times God has used a man or a woman to represent a group of people, such as Jacob, or even this woman in Revelation 12, who stands for the whole nation of Israel. I believe that this man child is the 144,000 of Revelation 7:1-8, Revelation 14:1-5, the First Fruits unto God and the Lamb in Revelation 14:4.

I thought this is the truth for these chat rooms for christians always looking (myself included)for something to nit pic about.....where is the Gospel people?

There are many more scriptures than this declaring the work that Israel will do after they have accepted Jesus as Saviour. The Church in America has been trying to convert our nation to Jesus since the Pilgrims first came to convert the Indian, but the Church has become so divided over issues, that winning souls is second place to their stands on doctrinal differences. But, if we can reach the Jews in America with the Gospel, God will use these new converts to re-enforce the Church, and bring deliverance to our sin sick nation. GOD WILL, I PROMISE YOU, SAVE AMERICA!! God's promises will always reign victorious! Jesus is that deliverance!

great chapter to read looking forward to the rest

[JesusisGod2]

Amen Shilo,

This book just gets better the further I get into it.

[Guest shadow2b]

-It will be during the tribulation that God will try to bring forth children to Himself, out of all nations. Some will. But, sadly, many nations will not, and will be destroyed during this time. The anti-Christ will only receive power over a fourth part of the earth.

-I suggest that this guys teachings doNOT line up with scripture,in that when the BIBLE states"ALL"

-it means "ALL"--as in; HE causeth ALL to receive a mark IN their right hand or IN their forehead ---

-REV.13.vss.1.thru.18----Compare these scriptures to what this dude is stating--

-Don't mean ta throw a wet blanket on yo fire BUT--scripture does not lie--

[eric]

And it was given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them: and authority was give to him over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. Rev. 13:7. I have to agree with me old mate, Gary, and burst another bubble. Who was it who said, "just give us the facts Maam.

Hey no offence meant bros and sisses,but you cant buck the Word.

[JesusisGod2]

-It will be during the tribulation that God will try to bring forth children to Himself, out of all nations. Some will. But, sadly, many nations will not, and will be destroyed during this time. The anti-Christ will only receive power over a fourth part of the earth.

-I suggest that this guys teachings doNOT line up with scripture,in that when the BIBLE states"ALL"

-it means "ALL"--as in; HE causeth ALL to receive a mark IN their right hand or IN their forehead ---

-REV.13.vss.1.thru.18----Compare these scriptures to what this dude is stating--

-Don't mean ta throw a wet blanket on yo fire BUT--scripture does not lie--

Hi Shadow,

I believe that what is meant by this is that anti-Christ will be given power over the nations represented by the symbolic representation of the world power structure will be when anti-Christ takes power which will be:

Revelation 13:1-2

Germany = leopard

Bear = Russia

Lion = Great brittan

Ten horns = Ten nation union

This will be anti-Christ power base. Not that he will not try and make war and force his government on the world. and the currency will definately be based upon his rule, which is already happening with the euro dollar, but that is a different study.

But this is very clear in the bible of the nations that will fall under the rule of anti-Christ.

Lets look in the book of Daniel 7:4-

first beast= the Lion which represents England, but notice it had eagles wings which represent a nation of power. But the eagle wings were "plucked" and made to stand on its feet like a man. A human heart or some versions say heartwas given to it.

The United States was 'plucked' from England during our war of independance. and we have taken up the national symbol of the Eagle.

But there is another symbol we have taken up and that is that of Uncle Sam "it was made to stand on two feet like a man" Daniel 7:4

and was given the heart, or mind of a man

The United States is one of the only nations in the world that after we destroy a nation in war that dont totally plunder and claim as our own. Instead we even build it back to a glory that it never had before the war.

The second beast being the bear which we have established as being Russia

The third beast the leopard = Germany notice it had four heads and wings, again the wings represent a nation of power, and we know that Germany.

The four heads, its interesting to know that Germany has started the last 3 major wars, the forth will be under the rule of anti-Christ.

4th beast = well there are three possibilities here:

A) 10 Kings

B) The commonwealth of independant states

C) 10 palastinian leaders

My money is on C

Now go back to the book of revelation 3

we see these same 4 beast minus the Eagle except there is one major difference,

The four seperate beast have now become one beast consisting of the same nations of power, this is the power base of anti-Christ.

Its interesting to note that the U.N. consist of the powers of the:

United states

Great Britton

Russia

Germany

And others

Now lets look at the E.U.

Great Britton

Russia

Germany

Various others

Notice that the one missing is the Eagle, The U.S.A.-- prophecy is being fulfilled right before our eyes. I hope this has shed some light on what is meant by he will be given power over 1/4 of the world.

God is about to bring delieverance to Israel, The apple of His eye, the focus throughout the generations.

Pray for the peace of Israel.

In Jesus

Kevin

[JesusisGod2]

And it was given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them: and authority was give to him over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. Rev. 13:7. I have to agree with me old mate, Gary, and burst another bubble. Who was it who said, "just give us the facts Maam.

Hey no offence meant bros and sisses,but you cant buck the Word.

Hi Eric,

I didnt know we were here to "burst bubbles" but if we see a brother caught up in an error, we are to correct them in a spirit of love, looking to yourself, lest ye also be caught up.

As a matter of fact why dont we look at this verse

"Brethren, even if a man is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself' lest you too be tempted." Galatians 6:1

"And the Lords bondservant must not be quarrelsome, but kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged.

with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,

And they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will" 2 Tim 2:24-26

We are here to learn from one another to the building up of the body of Christ, it is easy to get caught up in an error, of which I see no error in this mans teaching.

As a matter of fact, I would like to ask you this question:

Have you read this book? or at least the the couple of chapters that were linked?

If not I would highly recommend reading from cahpter 2 through, this is really an exciting book and heexplains himself throughout, which is probably how this got taken out of the context in the first place.

it was taken out of one chapter and he explains it in another.

I do encourage you to read it though you will be blessed, I know I sure have. It is very uplifting.

God bless

In Jesus

kevin

[eric]

Sorry Kevin.

quote

The anti-Christ will only receive power over a fourth part of the earth.

Rev.13:7b and authority was give to him overevery tribeand peopleand tongue and nation

Now that doesn't seem to me to one fourth to me. Every, to me means every. All, the whole shooting box, including N,Z. and the U,S.A.

I wasn't trying to be smart, bro, just being watchful.

In two and a half years since I.ve been on line I've read books and articles a by some of the best known christian writers in the world and have seen a dozen different versions of translating the book of Daniel and Revelation, so I dont get excited by new books. I only read the book written by God now, because He is the only One that has the facts. Anything written by man is partly speculation, seen from their own viewpoint...JMO.

Just keep watching my brother. Soon all will be revealed.

In Christ,

eric.

[JesusisGod2]

Hi Eric,

Thanks for clarifying yourself.

I still believe what this man is speaking of is the power base that this man (anti_Christ) is going to have, which are represented the symbolic beast. I must admit that I had trouble with this statement as well and I am seeking the answer for what was meant.

As a matter of fact I intend to email him and see what his reply will be. But for now I will glean the good that is in the book. The shadow illistrations of Genesis and the stories in their relations to Israel are great.

I am assuming he means the power base of the lion, leopard, bear, and ten horns.. The U.S. is a mighty power and our influence is felt around the whole world, but this does not mean that we rule the whole world.

The world currency is quickly changing, so much so that the Euro dollar has surpassed the U.S. dollar already in value. I t wont be long before the world currency will be based on the Euro. And therefore the anti-Christ influence will be felt through out the whole world.

Now the currency also is shifting to a paperless transaction, which will force the mark around the world, and hence in this way the anti-Christ will weild his power throughout the entire world.

Notice that in Rev 14:16 it says that he causes all to recieve the mark, the reason being is he controls the curency, which will be the Euro. This is happening as we speak, they are even talking of changing the exchange of oil, based on the Euro rather than the dollar.

If this happens it will totally bankrupt the U.S.. We are trying to counter this by offering free trade with the Americas, North and South. He who controls the money controls the world.

Now there is no doubt that anti-Christ' influence will be felt around the entire planet but there are those who will oppose him, Namely those who are of Christ.

for there will come a war, and there will be those opposed to anti-Christ, who will go to war against him. It is pretty clear which nations will be under the control of anti-Christ as his power base

This is definately his power base, this where he will try and rule the world from.

Irregardless, what I am excited about is Gods restoration of Israel, God has not forgotten His people. This is really more of what this book is about than anything.

God Bless!

In Jesus

Kevin

[eric]

JIG2.

Hi Kevin, I agree with a lot you have said here especially about causing us to take the mark suggesting that the world finances will be tied up. You cant get away from what it states in the bible. But what I am wary of, is the number of guesses ( and they are guesses ) of who or what and how the a/c is going to present him or it's self. Some say man, some say spirit and some say country. My own belief that is is a system under which the entire world will bow down to except the true born again or regenerated christians.

Anyway I dont think it will be all that long before we find out who is right, but LOL I reckon you can rule out prince Charles and the pope and G.W. and a few more that have thrown in the ring. I gave up speculating long ago.

Hey Kevvy, you have a great day in the Lord.

eric.

[JesusisGod2]

JIG2.

Hi Kevin, I agree with a lot you have said here especially about causing us to take the mark suggesting that the world finances will be tied up. You cant get away from what it states in the bible. But what I am wary of, is the number of guesses ( and they are guesses ) of who or what and how the a/c is going to present him or it's self. Some say man, some say spirit and some say country. My own belief that is is a system under which the entire world will bow down to except the true born again or regenerated christians.

Anyway I dont think it will be all that long before we find out who is right, but LOL I reckon you can rule out prince Charles and the pope and G.W. and a few more that have thrown in the ring. I gave up speculating long ago.

Hey Kevvy, you have a great day in the Lord.

eric.

Hi Eric,

Praise the Lord brother. Thank you for at least looking at it. I do believe that he will be an actual person, for he will sit in the temple and proclaim that he is God, but as you say we will have to wait and see.

I would like to bring another verse of scripture to your attention on the limitations that God will allow anti-Christ. It is found in Revelation in the forth seal

"And when He broke the forth seal, I heard the voice of the forth living creature saying "come"

And I looked and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on ithad the name death; and hades was following with him. And authority was given to them over a forth of the earth to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beast of the earth" Revelation 6:7-8

Here we see that God does indeed put limits on what anti_Christ will be able to do, after all, if he were able to what he pleased he would kill all mankind, because we are made in Gods image and because of Gods great love for us.

By the way I e-mailed Tommie Spurgeon and He responded and suggested I read the twelth chapter of his book and explains this very question of Rev 13. which I went to it, and it is actually pretty good and I encourage you to look at it if you will

Heres the link Misconceptions about anti_Christ

I'll tell ya brother, I have been truly blessed by reading this book and especially from the insight of bringing the prophecies to light concerning Israel.

When one claims that God has replaced Israel with the church, what they are really saying is that Israel is cursed. This is a lie of satan intended to rob the church of the fullness of the blessing.

For God says He will curse those who curse Israel and He will Bless those who bless Israel.

I have always prayed for Israel when I thought of it, but now I have been encouraged to pray for her every day, and I have been blessed by it, my spirit is filled with joy and God has broadened my ministry since I have started, its been truly amazing.

Lets not let the devil rob us of anymore than he already has, let us pray for the peace and salvation of Israel, let us pray that God will raise up those who are willing to take the gospel to His people, after all they are the ones who brought the gospel to us.

And not only in Israel but right here in our own Nations no matter where we are and live, we will be blessed by it, God promises us that.

God bless you Eric!

In Jesus

Kevin