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[traveller]

When a church is led by the Holy Spirit, its members are fed through God's word, and they hunger for more, and not only hear , they do! Their lives are a light to those they come into contact with. Their testimonies are inspiring to the lost, who seek hope, and many they come into contact with, ask where did they find this peace? , and are led to Jesus. This doesnt come from a pastor, but from an individual's surrendered life.

So personally, I feel like if anyone wants a Holy Spirit led church. All they have to do is follow the Holy Spirit's call. He leads, we follow.

I know that at some time, we all fail to follow as we should, But one of the most memorable statements I can recall in a church seeking revival, was " If there is to be revival, let it begin with me." That I agree with.

Rick

Amen Rick! What I have found, is that the Holy Spirit is always speaking to us. Always guiding us. Always teaching us. It is up to us to listen, to hear, to receive. The Holy spirit is not limited to the one standing in the pulpit, but can work through the man at the front door, or the woman in the nursery, or the auto mechanic down the street. It is OUR responsibility to hear and obey.

Great post Rick!

[WayneB]

When a church is led by the Holy Spirit, its members are fed through God's word, and they hunger for more,  and not only hear , they do!  Their lives are a light to those they come into contact with.  Their testimonies are inspiring to the lost, who seek hope, and many they come into contact with, ask where did they find this peace? , and are led to Jesus.  This doesnt come from a pastor, but from an individual's surrendered life. 

So personally, I feel like if anyone wants a Holy Spirit led church.  All they have to do is follow the Holy Spirit's call.    He leads, we follow. 

I know that at some time, we all fail to follow as we should, But one of the most memorable statements I can recall in a church seeking revival, was " If there is to be revival, let it begin with me."  That I agree with. 

                                                                                  Rick

Amen Rick! What I have found, is that the Holy Spirit is always speaking to us. Always guiding us. Always teaching us. It is up to us to listen, to hear, to receive. The Holy spirit is not limited to the one standing in the pulpit, but can work through the man at the front door, or the woman in the nursery, or the auto mechanic down the street. It is OUR responsibility to hear and obey.

Great post Rick!

[irishcowboy]

Pastors are human.......

do I blame my pastor if my pastor is not doing as I want him to do????

no.....

he is one of Gods annointed......

most of what happens to people is of their own doing...

if we do not like the way the pastor is running the church, then we need to look at the way we are running the church, for the pastor ( for the most part ) is our employee.....

the pastors job is to train us to take over his position, so that we can go and train others to take that position so they can train others to take that position....

the pastor should be trying to work himself out of a job...

OUR JOB is to ween ourselves off of the milk, and start eating on our own......

if the pastor is so bussy feeding us milk, the pastor has no time to do other things...... it is time we break the apron strings and start feeding off of God instead of the Pastor..... the pastor also needs to be nurished... the pastor should be feasting off of God so he can continue to nurture new children in Christ, not those that are just tooo lazy to get up and feed them selves.....

God wants to feed you directly, not thru some one else....

are we like baby birds? where mamma has to chew up the food and then feed regurgitated ( puke ) food to us??? stuff that is already digested?????? I dont want to be, I saivor the taste of being in the Spirit so much I want more, the taste is so wonderful....why would I want an already digested story of God, why would I want the Spirit of God diluted...... I want the full force..... I want a full overflowing portion of the Holy Spirit... not some watered down milk in a bottle, my teeth are strong, I can chew the meat......

why blame the annointed one? when we are supppost to be edifying the body, we are blaming the body.... Head, you do nothing more then get bumped all the time, you can not hold a hammer, or you can not take the body anywhere, you are not needed..... hand, you do not digest food, you do not do any thinking, let us do away with you..... ..............

We voted and hired the pastor, if the pastor is not preaching the truth, is watering down the Word of God, not preaching as you feel he should be, set up an appointment and speak with him......

your pastor may have lost focus... which means we need to readjust the focus knob......

your pastor may be preachign the way he is because he will loose his job if he dont...... ( that is the voice of the voting members ).......

again, you should not be relying on your pastor to be making the increase in the church building...... you see, the Pastor is the shepherd, and the last time I knew, it was physically/biologically impossible for a shepherd to produce more sheep........

only sheep can produce more sheep..... not the shepherd.....

the pastor is not the one that will keep people coming to church, it is the rest of the congregation......

we much continue to reach out.....

the pastors job is to train us........ so we can be self sufficient......

i have seen pastors fired / released from their local fellowship for preaching the word, I have seen local church fellowships die out because the congregation did not serve the pastor ( support the pastor, ) by actually going against the word of God to get rid of them......

so,

WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME?????

if my church fellowship fails, do I blame the pastor? ordo I look in my own heart to see what I have been doing?? have I been warming a pew? or have I been working to fill the pews so that I no longer have a place to sit????

the fellowship I attend at this time is packed, I lost the seat I use to sit in.... why???? cause of the increase.... and you know... it dont matter..... I like the front row, left center...... most the time anymore I have to hunt for a seat and I am just over joyed..... I still like that seat, but that seat is not what makes it so I can worship.....

did the pastor cause this increase???? no.......

the congregation did.......

the pastor is continuing to train small groups and those small groups are training other small groups who in turn train others.... and every one is bringing in souls.......

who is to blame for my "normal" seat to be taken?????

hmmmm, good question...... I AM !!!!!!!!!!!

I have to blame myself and Praise the Lord for the loss of "my normal" seat.......

the majority of things that happen to a person, is of their own doings.... not anyone elses... and especially not God or God annointed.....

we are to blame for the decrease in the population in the church body.... the Body is weakening, the muscles are becoming weaker and weaker, for we are not exercising the Body.....

if you was on fire for the Lord 30 years ago, but are not now, you are to blame, not God.... if you are on fire for the Lord now.... continue to feed that fire.... if you see a young person on fire for the Lord, do not drench that fire in water, but fuel that fire with love and support and continue teaching this young person to continue to seek more of the fuel.... teach that young person how to take their nurishment directly from the Lord and not to rely on man to continue to feed them......

mike