A bill in Congress makes it a crime for pastors

[None]

A good pastor will preach everything that's written in the Bible. He not only will preach that it's wrong to be gay, he will also preach that it's wrong to "mentally torture" or harrass people who have chosen the sin of homosexuality - and, certainly, he will teach his church not to be violent against homosexuals.

A lukewarm pastor will just keep accepting and accepting every sin that people have a fit about,

trying not to make anyone angry...trying not to step on anyone's toes(except God's)...

[Openly Curious]

I don't think this bill will pass as I certainly pray that way and pray for the judges on the supreme court that even if it did pass that they would according to our constitution over rule the bill as unconstitutional. As long as we still have free speech as a constitutional right we should use it freely and not cower back in a corner and allowing the liberal left to pressure us into being PC.

John 9:4--"I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day the night cometh when no man can work."

we must not forget to pray for all those in authority as well that God would move on their hearts to do the right thing according to his will.

OC

[Openly Curious]

I don't think this bill will pass as I certainly pray that way and pray for the judges on the supreme court that even if it did pass that they would according to our constitution over rule the bill as unconstitutional. As long as we still have free speech as a constitutional right we should use it freely and not cower back in a corner and allowing the liberal left to pressure us into being PC.

John 9:4--"I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day the night cometh when no man can work."

we must not forget to pray for all those in authority as well that God would move on their hearts to do the right thing according to his will.

OC

Did you read the Bill? It is not addressing speech, but violence of one person upon another.

I don't think we need the Bill either as we already have laws on the books addressing violent crime, but let's look at what the Bill says...not what a few alarmists would have us believe.

Hello KatyAnn,

Now please correct me if I am wrong here I will not think wrongly of you in any way if you do so. I thought that I understood this thread as I did read it from the beginning. I understood the bill to be about violence and such and causing one bodily harm. But I also know that no minister of the gospel is going to outright physically attack a homosexual as a minister is not suppose to have a reputation of a brawler. So the question I ask then is how does this bill then tie into the ministers who "speak" out against homosexuality. I thought that a rather good question to ask seeing they are trying to pass a bill under the guise of violence.

Well when I thought about that it was strange but it's really not because if a person get's hurt on a job or has something unfortunate happen to them to where that person recieved bodily injury and someone else was responsible for it then that person would sue and they would more than likely sue for physical injuries but also would sue for you guessed it emotional and mental stress. As of course this would probably be coming from the terrible minister's who would dare speak out against homosexuality as it would damage them emotionally causing them harm so it is a speech issue as that is the only way a minister would hurt them. You know might damage there ego's or something.

Now if I am off base and come off as looking stupid then please straighten me out I am willing to learn and I'm not that good at politics.

OC

[Openly Curious]

Thank you KatyAnn I see what you are saying I guess I had my own thoughts as I was reading through the thread and from what I read you are right that those thing AFA was urging others to send out were not mentioned within the bill at all. In fact correct me if I am wrong I didn't even see any mention of ministers or churches at all that was mentioned. Now that makes me ask why would they do that? To spread what you Tennesseans call a deliberate "lie"

Is it to make the churches and christians look bad like we are nuts to where we run out and have to get support in order to kill this wicked bill that doesn't even address Christians. Wow I may not be that smart on politics but I am a conservative all the way and vote that way and believe in be active and getting out to vote. But this has got me puzzled as to why is it just politicians tricks in order to stop something they don't want to pass from getting through and using the christian community to do it in the name of evil? Anyways thanks for setting me straight

OC

[rtwo]

We actually do have more than one thread open regarding this bill ... I'm too lazy to do it, but if you're interested, use the search feature to look up similar threads: "hate speech", "hate crime", etc. Look inside the thread instead of just the subject line.

[rtwo]

Thank you KatyAnn I see what you are saying I guess I had my own thoughts as I was reading through the thread and from what I read you are right that those thing AFA was urging others to send out were not mentioned within the bill at all. In fact correct me if I am wrong I didn't even see any mention of ministers or churches at all that was mentioned. Now that makes me ask why would they do that? To spread what you Tennesseans call a deliberate "lie"

Is it to make the churches and christians look bad like we are nuts to where we run out and have to get support in order to kill this wicked bill that doesn't even address Christians. Wow I may not be that smart on politics but I am a conservative all the way and vote that way and believe in be active and getting out to vote. But this has got me puzzled as to why is it just politicians tricks in order to stop something they don't want to pass from getting through and using the christian community to do it in the name of evil? Anyways thanks for setting me straight

OC

There is danger here that, unfortunately, is overshadowed by the sensationalism. They are, in effect, punishing thought, by adding penalty to crime -for- thoughts. As mentioned above, there are many comments that go into this idea in greater detail in the other threads.

[papasangel]

If I misinterpeted this sign then forgive me. But I do think that unless the bill specifically is adhered to this will open the doors to many interpetations of the law. If it pass then even your speech could be construed as battery if you preach something that hurts ones feelings. Then it is a small step then not to blow things up way beyone perspective and have false claimings of "emotional abuse" from a sermon which ma be preaching against homosexuality or some other sin. The truth would either have to be sugrcoated or twisted in order to assuage these "victims".

[None]

What I was addressing is that some folks are trying to make it seem that the Bill makes it against the law for a preacher or anyone to speak out against homosexuality etc. It says no such thing. In reading the Bill it only has to do with actions not words. The Bill specifically names bodily injury and makes no mention of emotional distress.

The opening poster said his post came to him in an email. No link was added but I found it on the American Family Association Website. They have another article about this on there in which they are seriousy misrepresenting what the Bill is about.

Here is part of what the AFA has on their website. They are urging everyone to email this to everyone they know.

The proposed law would make it a crime to preach on Romans Chapter 1 or I Corinthians Chapter 6. Or even to discuss them in a Sunday School class. If churches and individuals want to keep the government from telling them what they can and cannot preach and teach about homosexuality, they better get involved now!

Senate bill S. 1105 would make negative statements concerning homosexuality, such as calling the practice of homosexuality a sin from the pulpit, a

[Openly Curious]

We actually do have more than one thread open regarding this bill ... I'm too lazy to do it, but if you're interested, use the search feature to look up similar threads: "hate speech", "hate crime", etc. Look inside the thread instead of just the subject line.

thank you rtwo for the information

OC

[senerhu]

If I misinterpeted this sign then forgive me. But I do think that unless the bill specifically is adhered to this will open the doors to many interpetations of the law. If it pass then even your speech could be construed as battery if you preach something that hurts ones feelings. Then it is a small step then not to blow things up way beyone perspective and have false claimings of "emotional abuse" from a sermon which ma be preaching against homosexuality or some other sin. The truth would either have to be sugrcoated or twisted in order to assuage these "victims".

exactly...