The fate of Homosexuals?

[Vickilynn]

whether you practice homosexuality, had a bad thought or have pre-marital sex...its all the same.

Shalom Ex,

You always come to this. No one is saying that homosexuality is any different. Please understand that.

BUT, the OP was asking specifically about homosexuality, so please, stay on that topic. The "select group" is what the OP asked about. It's considerate to stay on that topic and not decry using homosexuals as the topic.

The point is, once you are saved, you are FREED from sin. If you choose to walk in it, continue it, you turn your back on Jesus and His commands. If the Uncle is willfully practicing homosexuality, he is not living for Jesus, he is living for sin.

[Vickilynn]

How do you know if someone is a "practicing" homosexual? I mean I am not going to ask someone if they are sleeping with their girlfriend, likewise I am not going to ask someone I suspect is gay if they are having sex.

Shalom,

The Scriptures say those who "practice homosexuality", so this is a distinguishing point. In other words, one who continues in sin, willfully, after they are saved.

[Vickilynn]

Paul also tells us not to speculate who will go to heaven and who will go to hell, he says turn our eyes on ourselves in these matters.

Shalom Smalcald,

The OP's question is valid. It is not wrong to ask these questions here.

The question is, does someone in willful sin go to Heaven? The Bible says no.

1 Corinthians 6

9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[c] 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Oh, I am sorry Vicki, certainly the OP's question is very valid, that is not really what I meant.

[Marnie]

Working at celibacy isn't necessary. Jesus heals and restores, and frees people from homosexuality.

Are you saying that we will be free from all temptation? Are you free from all temptation to sin?

I don't think that is what scripture says. Homosexuality is no different from any other sin.

Temptation never ends.

I think sexual sin of any kind is different from other sins and much harder to maintain the victory over.

[exrockstar]

whether you practice homosexuality, had a bad thought or have pre-marital sex...its all the same.

Shalom Ex,

You always come to this. No one is saying that homosexuality is any different. Please understand that.

BUT, the OP was asking specifically about homosexuality, so please, stay on that topic. The "select group" is what the OP asked about. It's considerate to stay on that topic and not decry using homosexuals as the topic.

The point is, once you are saved, you are FREED from sin. If you choose to walk in it, continue it, you turn your back on Jesus and His commands. If the Uncle is willfully practicing homosexuality, he is not living for Jesus, he is living for sin.

it's up to God to discipline him not us.

Hebrews 12:6

[Guest LadyC]

lovely, we have a troll. i'll report that. in the meantime, i have some questions for exrockstar... or is it smalclad... i'm getting confused on who i'm talking to, maybe to both?

first ... do you agree that if a homosexual is living with someone, shares the same bed, refers to them as 'lover" or "partner", that they are voluntarily acknowledging that they are continuing to walk in sin?

if a homosexual identifies someone else as their 'lover' or 'partner' even though they don't share the same home, you're pretty safe in assuming that the individual is involved in a gay relationship with the person they call lover?

if you witness affectionate moments with sexual overtones between two individuals who identify themselves as gay, do you acknowledge that they are most likely still engaging in an inappropriate and unbiblical relationship?

if a homosexual is hanging out at places where other homosexuals often meet, such as a gay bar, do you think it's safe to assume they are still living an unrepentant way of life?

this is not about passing judgement on someone, it's about assessing a situation.

it may not be up to us to admonish them.... but if they are living a homosexual lifestyle and calling themselves a christian, we'd BETTER be about the Father's business and admonish them, according to scripture! (col 3:16)

my most important question:

do you believe that a practicing homosexual will enter into heaven? and if so, and if they consider themselves "saved", do you feel exempt from any responsibility to warn them of the risk they are taking with their soul?

[Vickilynn]

whether you practice homosexuality, had a bad thought or have pre-marital sex...its all the same.

Shalom Ex,

You always come to this. No one is saying that homosexuality is any different. Please understand that.

BUT, the OP was asking specifically about homosexuality, so please, stay on that topic. The "select group" is what the OP asked about. It's considerate to stay on that topic and not decry using homosexuals as the topic.

The point is, once you are saved, you are FREED from sin. If you choose to walk in it, continue it, you turn your back on Jesus and His commands. If the Uncle is willfully practicing homosexuality, he is not living for Jesus, he is living for sin.

it's up to God to discipline him not us.

Hebrews 12:6

Shalom

Ex, the Scriptures are clear. They say what they say.

Romans 1

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

[exrockstar]

whether you practice homosexuality, had a bad thought or have pre-marital sex...its all the same.

Shalom Ex,

You always come to this. No one is saying that homosexuality is any different. Please understand that.

BUT, the OP was asking specifically about homosexuality, so please, stay on that topic. The "select group" is what the OP asked about. It's considerate to stay on that topic and not decry using homosexuals as the topic.

The point is, once you are saved, you are FREED from sin. If you choose to walk in it, continue it, you turn your back on Jesus and His commands. If the Uncle is willfully practicing homosexuality, he is not living for Jesus, he is living for sin.

it's up to God to discipline him not us.

Hebrews 12:6

Shalom

Ex, the Scriptures are clear. They say what they say.

Romans 1

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

youre taking scripture describing atheist and paganist (Romans really) and making it fit to this thread.

go ahead...if you push hard enough it'll fit.

[Guest LadyC]

i'd love to hear an answer to my questions

[Guest LadyC]

whether you practice homosexuality, had a bad thought or have pre-marital sex...its all the same.

Shalom Ex,

You always come to this. No one is saying that homosexuality is any different. Please understand that.

BUT, the OP was asking specifically about homosexuality, so please, stay on that topic. The "select group" is what the OP asked about. It's considerate to stay on that topic and not decry using homosexuals as the topic.

The point is, once you are saved, you are FREED from sin. If you choose to walk in it, continue it, you turn your back on Jesus and His commands. If the Uncle is willfully practicing homosexuality, he is not living for Jesus, he is living for sin.

it's up to God to discipline him not us.

Hebrews 12:6

Shalom

Ex, the Scriptures are clear. They say what they say.

Romans 1

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

youre taking scripture describing atheist and paganist (Romans really) and making it fit to this thread.

go ahead...if you push hard enough it'll fit.

the passage was written about those who had KNOWN GOD (not had some abstract knowledge of, but had known Him personally), not about those who had never had a relationship with Him. you and i have had this discussion before. if YOU push hard enough, it still won't fit...