The fate of Homosexuals?

[Vickilynn]

Romans 1

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

youre taking scripture describing atheist and paganist (Romans really) and making it fit to this thread.

go ahead...if you push hard enough it'll fit.

Shalom Ex,

Sorry, that's not what the Scriptures say. Verse 21. They KNEW G-D.

Verse 22 THEY BECAME (they weren't already) fools.

Sorry, you're pushing but it still won't fit.

[MeCajunboy]

My Uncle is a homosexual, and as you can imagine this is hard for me because I love him very much. He's so incredibly funny, and fun to be around, that it kills me to think of this lifestyle he is stuck in.

So I have this question: Do you think that homosexuals, if they believe in Jesus, will go to hell?

I know that 1 Cor 6:9 says "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inhereit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved. Niether fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulturers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites (male homosexuals).....10 will inherit the kingdom of God."

I always have thought that verse means exactly what it says, until I came across this verse: Romans 14:17 "For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."

Which would obviously mean that a homosexual cannot experience those things while in that sin. Please tell me what you think on this subject. Thanks!

Be Blessed,

~Aaron

Blessings Aaron, You know Aaron I think while you're looking around for (people who live in sin) you'd better look beyond your Uncle. Probably for each pair of people you know, at least one of them is not saved and it's not limited to homosexuality. You have grave sins as abortion, fornication, adultery , denying God, which if you think about it, anyone of these grave sins are the same as denying God. It is like denying that that you trust God to give us sufficient in everything in life which normally causes sin. When we try to go out on our own and without God for pleasures, or more in life .....we get into trouble/sin. Better to concentrate on your own soul than the souls of loved ones because it will drive you crazy from worrying . For instance, many our our parents may not be saved merely because we are. We don't know what sins lie in their lives or path that they can seem to leave behind. ....And we have many.....And there always seems to be that ONE GRAVE SIN that we sometimes can't seem to leave behind or shake.

[MeCajunboy]

Shalom,

The key idea here is that the uncle is still a practicing homosexual, if I understand correctly.

That is unrepented sin. And no, practicing homosexuals will not enter Heaven as I understand the Scriptures. This is because Jesus says:

John 14:

15"If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

John 15

9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.

The key phrase being 'abide." If we are willfully practicing sin, we are not abiding in Jesus, nor are we keeping His commandments. Unrepentant sinners will not be in Heaven, in my understanding of the Scriptures.

whether you practice homosexuality, had a bad thought or have pre-marital sex...its all the same.

nothing that you do after youve been saved will make you righteous.

all great Christian leaders are unrighteous and theyve turned their lives around.

so to bring up scripture to describe a selected groups is wrong because WE ARE ALL unrighteous.

we have been "declared" but not made nor transformed.

Correction:::We may all be "unworthy" but we can be made "righteous" by believing, repenting and living each day with God in our sight. But I do agree that all sins make us fall short for the Glory of God. But the youth's questions was, "Did we thing that because her Uncle was a practicing Homosexual that HE was not saved. We need to stand for all those who try and strive to live in God's Words and we are also obligated to advise other Christians who dwell in sin, that they are, In fact, living in Sin. This is what we are advised to tell our fellow "brothers and sisters." And if the young person here needs to know what the Bible says about a particular sin.....then so be it!

Blessings

Cajunboy

[exrockstar]

the passage was written about those who had KNOWN GOD (not had some abstract knowledge of, but had known Him personally), not about those who had never had a relationship with Him. you and i have had this discussion before. if YOU push hard enough, it still won't fit...

known God personally?

you know God through scripture.

plus scripture wasnt written to the romans to know God personally.

and Jesus didnt travel to Rome so they can know Him personally.

Even if someone traveled into Rome and spread the news that doesnt qualify as personal.

Youre right we've had this talk and Paul wrote it criticizing Nero and if you want to fit it to

say homosexuals fit this cause then by all means....swing away.

[exrockstar]

Correction:::We may all be "unworthy" but we can be made "righteous" by believing, repenting and living each day with God in our sight. But I do agree that all sins make us fall short for the Glory of God. But the youth's questions was, "Did we thing that because her Uncle was a practicing Homosexual that HE was not saved. We need to stand for all those who try and strive to live in God's Words and we are also obligated to advise other Christians who dwell in sin, that they are, In fact, living in Sin. This is what we are advised to tell our fellow "brothers and sisters." And if the young person here needs to know what the Bible says about a particular sin.....then so be it!

Blessings

Cajunboy

ok then youre righteous. so why the big hooplah about Christ? are we really "made" righteous?

have you sinned? then guess what...youre unrighteous or not saved?

may want to think about what youre saying

[Floatingaxe]

Working at celibacy isn't necessary. Jesus heals and restores, and frees people from homosexuality.

Are you saying that we will be free from all temptation? Are you free from all temptation to sin?

I don't think that is what scripture says. Homosexuality is no different from any other sin.

Yes it is. It is an addicting behaviour--sexual addiction. It can also be a demon. Deliverance is required. God does that so well, that there is no more temptation!

[Smalcald]

Working at celibacy isn't necessary. Jesus heals and restores, and frees people from homosexuality.

Are you saying that we will be free from all temptation? Are you free from all temptation to sin?

I don't think that is what scripture says. Homosexuality is no different from any other sin.

Yes it is. It is an addicting behaviour--sexual addiction. It can also be a demon. Deliverance is required. God does that so well, that there is no more temptation!

That can happen, anything can happen with God. But in general you are wrong about temptation and what is promised. Saying sin is a "demon" or some sin is somehow called out as worse or better is not really scriptural. Scripture certainly does not promise us that sort of freedom from temptation. Often it is a lifelong struggle. The alcoholic must daily ask for freedom and struggle with the temptation, and yes God will and does help that person overcome.

We should never trivialize the very very hard decades of struggle that people will go through to fight temptations of all kinds including homosexual temptations. This may mean that the person struggling with this must be a life long celibate. Of course all people who are not married are called to lifelong celibacy. Some Christians who fight homosexual temptations finally after years of struggle no longer desire people of the same sex, some Christians never totally lose these temptations, we all have a cross to carry.

The one thing God does NOT promise us is an easy time of it on this earth; doctrines which do promise this are setups for failures and despondency. However God does promise us help and deliverence from sin no doubt about that.

[Vickilynn]

That can happen, anything can happen with God. But in general you are wrong about temptation and what is promised. Saying sin is a "demon" or some sin is somehow called out as worse or better is not really scriptural. Scripture certainly does not promise us that sort of freedom from temptation. Often it is a lifelong struggle. The alcoholic must daily ask for freedom and struggle with the temptation, and yes God will and does help that person overcome.

We should never trivialize the very very hard decades of struggle that people will go through to fight temptations of all kinds including homosexual temptations. This may mean that the person struggling with this must be a life long celibate. Of course all people who are not married are called to lifelong celibacy. Some Christians who fight homosexual temptations finally after years of struggle no longer desire people of the same sex, some Christians never totally lose these temptations, we all have a cross to carry.

The one thing God does NOT promise us is an easy time of it on this earth; doctrines which do promise this are setups for failures and despondency. However God does promise us help and deliverence from sin no doubt about that.

Shalom Smalcald,

I don't think anyone is making light of any temptation, especially sexual ones. However, the question remains, if the Uncle is a PRACTICING homosexual, what is his fate. The Bible is clear that we who turn our backs on the freedom from sin that Jesus gives us and we choose to willfully live in sin, we have made sin our god, not G-d. We are then, not going to Heaven even if we know Jesus and profess Him. We must repent. One who willfully engages in sin has not repented of it.

[Smalcald]

Yes I agree.

Actually I was going off topic with that post which I do quite often.

Of course in the case of the uncle, one of the reason's according to scripture that we are alive this morning is by way of a truce with God to extend our lives one more hour waiting for our repentance, there is always hope as long as we have breath up to the very moment that our body dies.

[Him_Crucified330]

Shalom Aaron,

The question is not whether someone believes in Jesus, but are they born-again by faith in Jesus? Even the demons believe!

James 2:19

You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe--and shudder!

If one is truly changed (the old nature has been crucified with Messiah) then they will NOT willfully participate in sin any longer. We MUST count ourselves dead to sin and alive in Messiah. If someone is unwilling to do that, then I am not sure they are truly saved.

Romans 6

1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

5For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6We know that our old self[a] was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7For one who has died has been set free from sin. 8Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9We know that Christ being raised from the dead will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.

12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal bodies, to make you obey their passions. 13Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Wow, there certainly are alot of different takes on this subject. First of all I really appreciate everyones input. It took me like an hour to read through all 5 pages lol. Yes, you are all right in that my Uncle is STILL a practicing homosexual, and isn't doing much to turn from his sin. I really dont see much of any fruits of Christ in his life, other than that he's a 'good person' by human standards.

It's a hard subject to talk about with him because you know with homosexuals, if you question their sexuality you are questioning the very core of who they are. They define themselves by their sexuality, wheras straight people only see that as a fraction of their life.

I'm not sure where to start with him, but prayer is certainly a good place. God Bless all of you for your input, it is greatly appreciated!