Family Out of Order

[exrockstar]

I think it's a mistake to assume that authority is a dirty word in Christianity. Authority IS given BY GOD to people in the Christian community. It does take a different form in Christianity, though. In the Christian community, someone in authority should be a servant, willing to wash the feet of their charges as Christ did. If someone in a position of authority is using that position correcty, they are using it out of love for and for the advantage of their charges. Therefore, it wouldn't be a mistake to say that a husband has authority...it's just that he needs to know what the Christian definition of that is

I think it's a mistake too. Authority is given by God to people in the Christian community in as much as what He gifts them with because it is ALL God's gifting, giving. The bible says that all we have comes from God.

We are starting with Christ (who's comparable in any SENSE?) as the example, willing to wash the feet of his DISCIPLES. The only position of authority is those God gifts one with, as pastor, teacher, apostle, etc... Does God gift maleness with authority? Is maleness a gift of authority? All we have comes from God.

So it would be a mistake to say that a husband has authority when the bible never once says so (aside the fact we're discussing the meaning of kephale), besides no one of the community is differientiated meaning some to be like Christ as servant and others to be like Christ as Lord.

The the line is drawn between the community (all christians) being christlike (behavior of saving, servanthood, delivering) vs. lordlike (behavior of ruling, having authority outside of being gifted or the scriptures).

one day read Proverbs and ask yourself if you meet the qualifications of a godly woman in those passages.

Proverbs shows how to live life skillfully and wisely.

as you keep reading and your jaw drops then ask yourself if God is really fair in your perception.

Did you know God has called women "cows" before? yes He has. its in the bible.

you may look at it as not nice nor politically correct but this is God and you are a grain of sand to Him.

God has a plan. In His plan there are sub-plans and purposes.

I think you are convinced He cares about hurting ones feelings.

There are people that are going to die and go to hell and you focus on feelings.

again, one day read Proverbs and ask yourself if you meet the qualifications of a godly woman in those passages.

there are 32 chapters you can rip apart all you want.

[Openly Curious]

I think it's a mistake to assume that authority is a dirty word in Christianity. Authority IS given BY GOD to people in the Christian community. It does take a different form in Christianity, though. In the Christian community, someone in authority should be a servant, willing to wash the feet of their charges as Christ did. If someone in a position of authority is using that position correcty, they are using it out of love for and for the advantage of their charges. Therefore, it wouldn't be a mistake to say that a husband has authority...it's just that he needs to know what the Christian definition of that is

I think it's a mistake too. Authority is given by God to people in the Christian community in as much as what He gifts them with because it is ALL God's gifting, giving. The bible says that all we have comes from God.

We are starting with Christ (who's comparable in any SENSE?) as the example, willing to wash the feet of his DISCIPLES. The only position of authority is those God gifts one with, as pastor, teacher, apostle, etc... Does God gift maleness with authority? Is maleness a gift of authority? All we have comes from God.

So it would be a mistake to say that a husband has authority when the bible never once says so (aside the fact we're discussing the meaning of kephale), besides no one of the community is differientiated meaning some to be like Christ as servant and others to be like Christ as Lord.

The the line is drawn between the community (all christians) being christlike (behavior of saving, servanthood, delivering) vs. lordlike (behavior of ruling, having authority outside of being gifted or the scriptures).

What does a husband need authority for anyway? Show me somewhere in Ephesians 5:1-33 where a husband needs authority to do what Paul is admonishing.

But in general I agree that in the Christian community if we follow Christ's example, authority is serving in the power of the Holy Spirit

[Openly Curious]

But in general I agree that in the Christian community if we follow Christ's example, authority is serving in the power of the Holy Spirit

[OopsMartin]

Did you know God has called women "cows" before? yes He has. its in the bible.

you may look at it as not nice nor politically correct but this is God and you are a grain of sand to Him.

Hey EX, here is a good place to pay attention to context. God doesn't call "women" cows, He or the prophet calls female prostitutes cows. You are talking about Isaiah?

I can assure you there are no "cows" on this forum.

[Openly Curious]

I think it's a mistake to assume that authority is a dirty word in Christianity. Authority IS given BY GOD to people in the Christian community. It does take a different form in Christianity, though. In the Christian community, someone in authority should be a servant, willing to wash the feet of their charges as Christ did. If someone in a position of authority is using that position correcty, they are using it out of love for and for the advantage of their charges. Therefore, it wouldn't be a mistake to say that a husband has authority...it's just that he needs to know what the Christian definition of that is

I think it's a mistake too. Authority is given by God to people in the Christian community in as much as what He gifts them with because it is ALL God's gifting, giving. The bible says that all we have comes from God.

We are starting with Christ (who's comparable in any SENSE?) as the example, willing to wash the feet of his DISCIPLES. The only position of authority is those God gifts one with, as pastor, teacher, apostle, etc... Does God gift maleness with authority? Is maleness a gift of authority? All we have comes from God.

So it would be a mistake to say that a husband has authority when the bible never once says so (aside the fact we're discussing the meaning of kephale), besides no one of the community is differientiated meaning some to be like Christ as servant and others to be like Christ as Lord.

The the line is drawn between the community (all christians) being christlike (behavior of saving, servanthood, delivering) vs. lordlike (behavior of ruling, having authority outside of being gifted or the scriptures).

one day read Proverbs and ask yourself if you meet the qualifications of a godly woman in those passages.

Proverbs shows how to live life skillfully and wisely.

as you keep reading and your jaw drops then ask yourself if God is really fair in your perception.

Did you know God has called women "cows" before? yes He has. its in the bible.

you may look at it as not nice nor politically correct but this is God and you are a grain of sand to Him.

God has a plan. In His plan there are sub-plans and purposes.

I think you are convinced He cares about hurting ones feelings.

There are people that are going to die and go to hell and you focus on feelings.

again, one day read Proverbs and ask yourself if you meet the qualifications of a godly woman in those passages.

there are 32 chapters you can rip apart all you want.

Jesus called one woman a "dog" but when all was said and done the womans faith was increased and her loved one got healed as it is our faith that God is looking for and wants us to act upon as our faith moves mountains but our feelings don't do much of nothing for us. I agree

OC

[exrockstar]

Did you know God has called women "cows" before? yes He has. its in the bible.

you may look at it as not nice nor politically correct but this is God and you are a grain of sand to Him.

Hey EX, here is a good place to pay attention to context. God doesn't call "women" cows, He or the prophet calls female prostitutes cows. You are talking about Isaiah?

I can assure you there are no "cows" on this forum.

im not calling any one here a cow.

My point is that there are some concerned about equality or political correctness whereas God has

a plan. Whether we feel the plan is to our liking, or not, does not matter.

there is a passage somewhere that ive read that talked about the Lord getting upset with these men

that let their house not be in order. it's been a while but im sure i can find it. even if i do find it...does

it even matter?

[firehill]

I think it's a mistake to assume that authority is a dirty word in Christianity. Authority IS given BY GOD to people in the Christian community. It does take a different form in Christianity, though. In the Christian community, someone in authority should be a servant, willing to wash the feet of their charges as Christ did. If someone in a position of authority is using that position correcty, they are using it out of love for and for the advantage of their charges. Therefore, it wouldn't be a mistake to say that a husband has authority...it's just that he needs to know what the Christian definition of that is

I think it's a mistake too. Authority is given by God to people in the Christian community in as much as what He gifts them with because it is ALL God's gifting, giving. The bible says that all we have comes from God.

We are starting with Christ (who's comparable in any SENSE?) as the example, willing to wash the feet of his DISCIPLES. The only position of authority is those God gifts one with, as pastor, teacher, apostle, etc... Does God gift maleness with authority? Is maleness a gift of authority? All we have comes from God.

So it would be a mistake to say that a husband has authority when the bible never once says so (aside the fact we're discussing the meaning of kephale), besides no one of the community is differientiated meaning some to be like Christ as servant and others to be like Christ as Lord.

The the line is drawn between the community (all christians) being christlike (behavior of saving, servanthood, delivering) vs. lordlike (behavior of ruling, having authority outside of being gifted or the scriptures).

one day read Proverbs and ask yourself if you meet the qualifications of a godly woman in those passages.

Proverbs shows how to live life skillfully and wisely.

as you keep reading and your jaw drops then ask yourself if God is really fair in your perception.

Did you know God has called women "cows" before? yes He has. its in the bible.

you may look at it as not nice nor politically correct but this is God and you are a grain of sand to Him.

God has a plan. In His plan there are sub-plans and purposes.

I think you are convinced He cares about hurting ones feelings.

There are people that are going to die and go to hell and you focus on feelings.

again, one day read Proverbs and ask yourself if you meet the qualifications of a godly woman in those passages.

there are 32 chapters you can rip apart all you want.

Jesus called one woman a "dog"

You are correct, except that you left out that Jesus refered to her as such because she was a gentile (it had nothing to do with her gender) and NOT Jewish. AND NO Jesus didn't think that gentiles were 'dogs.' Jesus came first for the Jewish people.

[firehill]

Did you know God has called women "cows" before? yes He has. its in the bible.

you may look at it as not nice nor politically correct but this is God and you are a grain of sand to Him.

Hey EX, here is a good place to pay attention to context. God doesn't call "women" cows, He or the prophet calls female prostitutes cows. You are talking about Isaiah?

I can assure you there are no "cows" on this forum.

im not calling any one here a cow.

My point is that there are some concerned about equality or political correctness whereas God has

a plan. Whether we feel the plan is to our liking, or not, does not matter.

He does have a plan and He prophisied about it in Gen 3. And no, I don't like it, but it is so! I've never liked being in enmity with satan. Would you?

And I will put enmity

between you and the woman,

and between your offspring and hers;

and you will strike his heel."

there is a passage somewhere that ive read that talked about the Lord getting upset with these men

that let their house not be in order. it's been a while but im sure i can find it. even if i do find it...does

it even matter?

The scriptures and God's plan always matter.

[Openly Curious]

Did you know God has called women "cows" before? yes He has. its in the bible.

you may look at it as not nice nor politically correct but this is God and you are a grain of sand to Him.

Hey EX, here is a good place to pay attention to context. God doesn't call "women" cows, He or the prophet calls female prostitutes cows. You are talking about Isaiah?

I can assure you there are no "cows" on this forum.

Maybe so oops but Isaiah was a prophet of God and if you'll read Isaiah 6 where he recieved his calling from God and his mouth was touch with a live coal and also his lips as Isaiah was God's spokesman as he was sent to the house of Israel to preach and minister to them the words of God so if he addressed the female prostitutes as cows then that was the way God meant him to address them.

Isaiah 6:5-8--"Then said I, Wow is me! for I am undone, because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips for mine eyes have seen the King the Lord of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphimes onto me having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar. And he laid it upon my mouth and said Lo this hath touched thy lips and thine iniquity is taken away and thy sin purged. Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I send me."

Great chapter in Isaiah 6 and real good read.

OC

[exrockstar]

there is a passage somewhere that ive read that talked about the Lord getting upset with these men

that let their house not be in order. it's been a while but im sure i can find it. even if i do find it...does

it even matter?

The scriptures and God's plan always matter.

for grins if i find it i'll post it. as a matter of fact it even talked about how the women gathered and

decided to worship and idol. God didnt get mad at the women but got mad at the men.