Family Out of Order

[methinkshe]

It is also less effective to take a red neck approach to these things.

Ah, now I know how I have been categorised in your mind! Do you not think that "red neck approach" is a derogatory term? Tell you what, if I were to offer a similar stereotypical term in the UK, I'd be facing a law case.

Ruth

[Guest Biblicist]

It is also less effective to take a red neck approach to these things.

Ah, now I know how I have been categorised in your mind! Do you not think that "red neck approach" is a derogatory term? Tell you what, if I were to offer a similar stereotypical term in the UK, I'd be facing a law case.

Ruth

Offensive to me, my husband is a "red neck", as is his whole family. Red necks and stump jumpers the lot of them.

[Kansasdad]

Ok lets take this a little farther. I would surmise that not only are the roles of the family messed up but God gives us marriage as an example of the relationship for Jesus and his church. I would also surmise that some of our churches have the relationship messed up as well. What is Gods plan for headship of His church. His example of a marriage is also his plan for his church. When we mess up one we are likely to mess up the other.

God Bless,

K.D.

[Guest Biblicist]

Ok lets take this a little farther. I would surmise that not only are the roles of the family messed up but God gives us marriage as an example of the relationship for Jesus and his church. I would also surmise that some of our churches have the relationship messed up as well. What is Gods plan for headship of His church. His example of a marriage is also his plan for his church. When we mess up one we are likely to mess up the other.

God Bless,

K.D.

Well said,

[OopsMartin]

It is also less effective to take a red neck approach to these things.

Ah, now I know how I have been categorised in your mind! Do you not think that "red neck approach" is a derogatory term? Tell you what, if I were to offer a similar stereotypical term in the UK, I'd be facing a law case.

Ruth

hmmmm. yes. red-neck is a derogatory word for poor behavior. But I don't think I categorized you. Wasn't talking about you in particular.

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[methinkshe]

It is also less effective to take a red neck approach to these things.

Ah, now I know how I have been categorised in your mind! Do you not think that "red neck approach" is a derogatory term? Tell you what, if I were to offer a similar stereotypical term in the UK, I'd be facing a law case.

Ruth

hmmmm. yes. red-neck is a derogatory word for poor behavior. But I don't think I categorized you. Wasn't talking about you in particular.

Dictionary.com

red

[OopsMartin]

Ok lets take this a little farther. I would surmise that not only are the roles of the family messed up but God gives us marriage as an example of the relationship for Jesus and his church. I would also surmise that some of our churches have the relationship messed up as well. What is Gods plan for headship of His church. His example of a marriage is also his plan for his church. When we mess up one we are likely to mess up the other.

God Bless,

K.D.

Yes, families are messed up. Sin is the primary culprit.

Marriage was not given as an example of Christ and the church, that is misreading Scripture. Marriage is given for companionship. Reread Genesis. Husbands don't need to play God toward their wives and wives don't need to inordinately idolize their husbands. Such is not good for either one. If you will reread Ephesians 5 you will hopefully see that vs. 30-32 was reflecting on Christs great love for the church, portraying it to have the intimacy and unity similar to what should be in a godly marriage.

Church order is not similar to a marriage. Any self respecting man is going to walk out of a church that says the pastor is like a husband to his congretation. And a marriage relationship should not be like a church with husband as pastor (or priest) and wife along with the children his congregation. The two relationships, church and marriage, are not similar or comparable. Only Christ is our husband and that has nothing to do with church organization.

Now you can throw tomatoes if you like. I'm thinking of making a hearty stew today anyway. Pitch to the left so you don't hit the cat.

[OopsMartin]

It is also less effective to take a red neck approach to these things.

Ah, now I know how I have been categorised in your mind! Do you not think that "red neck approach" is a derogatory term? Tell you what, if I were to offer a similar stereotypical term in the UK, I'd be facing a law case.

Ruth

hmmmm. yes. red-neck is a derogatory word for poor behavior. But I don't think I categorized you. Wasn't talking about you in particular.

Dictionary.com

red

[methinkshe]

It is also less effective to take a red neck approach to these things.

Ah, now I know how I have been categorised in your mind! Do you not think that "red neck approach" is a derogatory term? Tell you what, if I were to offer a similar stereotypical term in the UK, I'd be facing a law case.

Ruth

hmmmm. yes. red-neck is a derogatory word for poor behavior. But I don't think I categorized you. Wasn't talking about you in particular.

Dictionary.com

red

[OopsMartin]

Ruth,

Please note that I added: "And for what it is worth, I was not using it in that sense, but rather in the sense of being reactionary, hard lined, unthinking throw-the-weight-around sort of approach instead of hearing, listening and respectful discourse."

I also apologized and said that I will not use the term again.

Is there anything else that I can do (within reason) to make this better.