Harry Potter to be or not to be

[Guest LadyC]

here questing, i'm posting a link for you to follow up on. since you were the one to ask where the Bible says anything about sorcery, this should be a good place for you to start. but don't stop with it, please follow the links and read the entire passages and their context.

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?q...p;qs_version=31

[Questing One]

questioning one:

so, just because the intent of the author, publishers, and producers was harmless, that lends any movie or book (or at least specifically this series) more credibility than God's word on the subject?

bib, LOL, yes, i suppose the amish would be breaking rules being here.

of course sorcery isn't the only thing kids should be sheltered from. exactly the reason i expanded it to include movies with porn, or that portray sexual relationships. allowing children (and many people here do, even if you don't) to view movies that glorify witchcraft, however "innocent" it may seem, is no different than allowing them to watch brokeback mountain.

there are a few good quality programs on tv. but ya gotta pay the big bucks for cable, and even then you have to have a watchful eye.

Hold on, you are taking quite a leap there. You're going from an Author's choice to use what you call "witchcraft" to push the point of good and evil in the world, to what some misguided person decided to put on the internet. I fail to see the connection between the two. Sure, you may not approve of the way that J. K. Rowling wrote her books. However, comparing it to internet trash is going a little far. That would be like me having a problem with the Bible because i didn't like the way it fully expressed in detail the death of Jesus. (I have no intention of any blasphemy, just trying to prove a point)

The author also makes it clear that his books are intended to be an accurate portrayal of witchcraft. The author spent alot of time learning as much as possible about witchcraft to make sure the books accurately portrayed witchcraft.

Emily Anne, I'm sorry but thats not true. First the author is a she not a he, and secondly I don't know who told you this but if you ever read the books or seen the movies there is absolutely NOTHING in the books even remotely resembling real witchcraft. Who ever told you that was not telling you the truth.

I meant to say she, hence edited right away.

http://www.pacinst.com/witch.htm

So explain to me the benefit that so greatly surpasses the risk of teaching your children witchcraft that is presumably innocent?

And this source is reliable? How do I know that this doesn't come from someone who wishes to slander J. K. Rowling for their own benefit? anyone with a grudge could have written that and I dare say that that doesn't hold much water.

[Emily~Anne]

questioning one:

so, just because the intent of the author, publishers, and producers was harmless, that lends any movie or book (or at least specifically this series) more credibility than God's word on the subject?

bib, LOL, yes, i suppose the amish would be breaking rules being here.

of course sorcery isn't the only thing kids should be sheltered from. exactly the reason i expanded it to include movies with porn, or that portray sexual relationships. allowing children (and many people here do, even if you don't) to view movies that glorify witchcraft, however "innocent" it may seem, is no different than allowing them to watch brokeback mountain.

there are a few good quality programs on tv. but ya gotta pay the big bucks for cable, and even then you have to have a watchful eye.

Hold on, you are taking quite a leap there. You're going from an Author's choice to use what you call "witchcraft" to push the point of good and evil in the world, to what some misguided person decided to put on the internet. I fail to see the connection between the two. Sure, you may not approve of the way that J. K. Rowling wrote her books. However, comparing it to internet trash is going a little far. That would be like me having a problem with the Bible because i didn't like the way it fully expressed in detail the death of Jesus. (I have no intention of any blasphemy, just trying to prove a point)

The author also makes it clear that his books are intended to be an accurate portrayal of witchcraft. The author spent alot of time learning as much as possible about witchcraft to make sure the books accurately portrayed witchcraft.

Emily Anne, I'm sorry but thats not true. First the author is a she not a he, and secondly I don't know who told you this but if you ever read the books or seen the movies there is absolutely NOTHING in the books even remotely resembling real witchcraft. Who ever told you that was not telling you the truth.

I meant to say she, hence edited right away.

http://www.pacinst.com/witch.htm

So explain to me the benefit that so greatly surpasses the risk of teaching your children witchcraft that is presumably innocent?

Nope, not getting into this again, I just saw where you had said he, and then the above and wanted you to know somebody was giving you incorrect information!

I am on migraine meds, you telling me you never accidentally sad he oinstead of she in your life is this whole argument based on that? Wow! talk about grasping! yes I said his at first by accident. You wanna call me a liar and say it was deliberate . fine.

Now, have you ever heard of JK Rowling defending the fact that her book saying that it is not an accurate portrayal of witchcraft???

How about thios scenario: a man and woman are haviong an affair, mind you, it is fictional. Does that make it ok to watch?

Philippians 4:8 And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise.

[Scarletprayers]

Emily Anne, I didn't mean anything by that, I just trying to tell you something???? I knew you would have never read the books or seen the movie, believe it or not, I was just trying to give you the correct information as it seemed maybe somebody have given it to you wrong.

[Emily~Anne]

Emily Anne, I didn't mean anything by that, I just trying to tell you something???? I knew you would have never read the books or seen the movie, believe it or not, I was just trying to give you the correct information as it seemed maybe somebody have given it to you wrong.

Fine, you just be careful not to call me a liar, i told you I knew she was a female and I put his by 'accident'. I do not lie.

[Questing One]

here questing, i'm posting a link for you to follow up on. since you were the one to ask where the Bible says anything about sorcery, this should be a good place for you to start. but don't stop with it, please follow the links and read the entire passages and their context.

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?q...p;qs_version=31

Ok then, that did give me quite a lot of help but might I be rather blunt? IF you look at the whole of Harry Potter and then look at what most of the Bible states as sorcery. Harry Potter: Spell: Petrificus Totalus: Latin: Total petrification: Can be done with modern medicine. Bible: Sorcery: Offering a son or daughter as a sacrifice: satanic rituals. Umm, at what point is any human sacrificed on an altar like is being described? No, the only rituals that are satanic in the Harry Potter books are the ones done by Voldemort who is EVIL!!!!!!! That is the point I'm trying to stress. In the bible they tell you all the dark things people have done. In Harry Potter you find out about dark things people have done. Is there any difference? We are shown good and evil so that we can tell the difference. (I'm not saying that Harry Potter has any stock on the Bible whatsoever)

[Guest LadyC]

But are you just using that as a scape goat? Think of modern chemistry, that at the time when all this was written, could be considered witch craft. Anyone with an ability to do something outside the extent of what is considered normality is instantly considered evil. (not including Jesus but there are explanations for that reasoning) The mentality that you are currently giving it goes to that of medieval people. We had a large body toll during that time period because of witch hunts. What you are currently saying is that we condem a movie and book series because it just happens to conviently fall under a section of the Bible refering to witchcraft. I have a question about that though. Wasn't witchcraft meant to hurt people? If you look at it in that sense, then can't you also turn around and say that what Daniel Radcliffe's Character is portraying is the good side to something we fear and that the character of Voldemort is representing the evil side?

am i using WHAT as a scapegoat? i'm not using ANYthing as a scapegoat. i'm providing you with biblical truth and you're accusing me of trying to deflect blame or responsibility or something along those lines that i'm not entirely clear about?

your 'modern chemistry' argument falls flat. there is nothing in scripture forbidding science.

no, not all witchcraft "appears" to hurt people. ask any wiccan. ask my daughter. she believes in the use of "white magic". ever heard of the beautiful side of evil? there is no witchcraft that is harmless, or even truly beneficial, because the use of it jeapardizes the SOUL of the person who is dabbling in it. white or black is irrelevant. God sees anything that comes from HIM as white, and anything that doesn't as black, to use terms popular among those who practice it. "white magic" practitioners don't think they serve "satan", they think they serve other gods and goddesses, most commonly "mother earth", which translates into idolatry, another one of those "convenient" (or inconvenient) little sections of the Bible.

no matter how you slice it, these shows do not glorify God, and instead glorify one of satan's many, many tools that draw people away from Him.

i heard on a radio program yesterday that nine out of ten children raised by christian parents will turn their back on their faith to pursue other gods, other forms of religion, by the time they are in college. now i don't know where he got his stats, but my guess is they aren't too far from the truth. so why on earth would we not spend what time we have (which is very little in comparison to how much time they spend in the world being taught ungodly things) failing to keep their focus on Jesus as much as humanly possible?

[cwill472]

I thought that the harry potter series was evil when it first came out because of the sourcery. The bible does warn us about sourcery. I finally seen all the movies with my children. It is fiction. How many of us has watched all the disney movies? A lot of the disney cartoons and other movies have some kind of sourcery (magic) in them. Yet we watched them with our kids. HArry Potter is not too different from them. It is all fiction. I have explained to my kids that it is not real and I have discussed with them about magic and sourcery. I haven given some scriptural references as well.

[Guest LadyC]

questing, do me a favor. don't try to debate this with me until you have STUDIED the biblical perspective on ALL forms of sorcery, witchcraft, divinity, and so on. don't spend five minutes glancing over a dozen or more biblical passages and try to come across as though you're some authority on the subject, ok?

if you don't want to study the passages and their context, even though you were the one who asked for them, that's fine and dandy. but the fact is, you haven't studied them, and didn't even have long enough to consider them.

i'm outta here. at least for now. i'm getting a headache listening to christians defending the concept of exposing innocent children to something that is far from innocent and that God clearly warns about repeatedly.

[Guest Biblicist]

questing, do me a favor. don't try to debate this with me until you have STUDIED the biblical perspective on ALL forms of sorcery, witchcraft, divinity, and so on. don't spend five minutes glancing over a dozen or more biblical passages and try to come across as though you're some authority on the subject, ok?

if you don't want to study the passages and their context, even though you were the one who asked for them, that's fine and dandy. but the fact is, you haven't studied them, and didn't even have long enough to consider them.

i'm outta here. at least for now. i'm getting a headache listening to christians defending the concept of exposing innocent children to something that is far from innocent and that God clearly warns about repeatedly.

Oh, MY!