Women pastors

[Vickilynn]

I get a little worried when people say scripture is nonsense and ridiculous. What can I say, scripture says what it says, and not just one passage, look at the sweep of scripture and tell me what it says about ordaining women , what it says about women in the Church having authority over men? Of course Paul did not set those guidelines, the Word of God clearly shows who should be ordained a minister, and it is an institution that has been set aside for males. I don't know what else to say you simply cannot get around the plain and simple words which point this out.

Look at the major denominations that have ordained women in the past 50 years and tell me what they are doing today? You cannot ignore scripture and have it simply affect one issue, once we start relying on our own ideas we are going to do that on many other areas also.

Shalom Smalcald,

Amen.

1 Corinthians 1

5 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

[Scarletprayers]

Ohh really, more relevant than "I" think...........................I think their reasoning has absolutely nothing to do with with God says in scriptures. You and firehill and a few others can bandy about your "itching ears" version of the Bible all you want. I've read all of these threads, and the twist and turns and jumps made to make the Bible say what ya'll want it to say is remarkable, totally wrong, byt still remarkable.

Are we being just a tad self righteous here. Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. I've heard the numbers bed will give you the best sleep, perhaps you should try one.

Nope don't think so, got up on the same side I always do..............and as for self rightous................................

[firehill]

But we all know the scriptures which discuss who should be ordained, after reading those I don't know what else there is to discuss?

Yes we do!

Never women

Never unmarried men

Never unmarried men without children

And if a husband's wife dies who is a pastor then he needs to step down too! It's so simple.

Yes, we know, don't we!

Yes it is simple.

You really believe that a pastor has to be married, male and have children while alive otherwise he doesn't meet the requirements. Being consistent here one would HAVE to accept those requirements. There is no way around it. You think Paul set those guidelines?

Nonsense and ridiculous. Common sense speaks here.

I get a little worried when people say scripture is nonsense and ridiculous. What can I say, scripture says what it says, and not just one passage, look at the sweep of scripture and tell me what it says about ordaining women , what it says about women in the Church having authority over men?

You need to prove that Paul gave a universal prohibiton, by 'I do not allow at this time.' Do you really think that this is how God gives universal laws? Do you really think He forgot about it intell Paul? Think about these things for a minute. What also you need to do is show Paul repeating the guidlines that only married men with children while they are alive can fill those positions. The scriptures make sense if we let them.

Of course Paul did not set those guidelines, the Word of God clearly shows who should be ordained a minister, and it is an institution that has been set aside for males. I don't know what else to say you simply cannot get around the plain and simple words which point this out.

I'm also talking about males who are married and with children. Funny how you not ONCE responded yet to such status that I've been pointing out.

Look at the major denominations that have ordained women in the past 50 years and tell me what they are doing today? You cannot ignore scripture and have it simply affect one issue, once we start relying on our own ideas we are going to do that on many other areas also.

See here you go again. What about Pastors only who have children. If his children die and his wife then he MUST get married again AND MUST have more children.

You're avoding the illogical conclusion and how the IC has not lived up to those standards.

[OopsMartin]

Shalom Ooops,

Uh huh. Save your piety for the guy calling us names, it's wasted on me dude. And BTW, men can be "catty:" too, so check your own mirror, 'K?

and a hearty Shalom to you dear sister.

Am I pious. Wow what a compliment. Thank you. Now isn't it better to give compliments.

pious = of or pertaining to religious devotion; sacred rather than secular: pious literature.

And thank you, I've been checking my mirror all morning..... and all I see is the cheerful dude with a silly smile on his face trying to spread Christian cheer. Here I'll turn the mirror toward you so you can see tooo.

[WayneB]

Saints,

Gotta go but if Brother John happens to come back, show him some grace and patience.

Don't argue with him...just send a Report and one of the moderators will check it out.

Our intention is NOT to censor but rather it is to promote Christ. It isn't always a word and idea that offends but rather the presentation. It's that simple. Context is so important is discussions.

John appears very sincere and firm in his Faith. In the 4 years I have served here, I have seen many come ready for a fight and end up softening when they come to trust the brethren.

Y'all have fun with your discussion. I'm going outside now.

May the Lord Bless all of you richly!

wayne, your servant

[OopsMartin]

brotherJohn. I have to say that I am very disapointed that you would post a private PM. Doesn't matter who is right or wrong. That shows a lack of integrity. Please reconsider doing that in the future. And please consider deleting that from your posts.

[firehill]

Ohh really, more relevant than "I" think...........................I think their reasoning has absolutely nothing to do with with God says in scriptures. You and firehill and a few others can bandy about your "itching ears" version of the Bible all you want. I've read all of these threads, and the twist and turns and jumps made to make the Bible say what ya'll want it to say is remarkable, totally wrong, byt still remarkable.

I guess then that settles it. As much as certain ones want to push for the prohibition on women, they better be doing it regarding single men and married men without children and married men who's wife's and children die. But ofcourse that's never pushed is it. Yes, truley remarkable.

As far as I'm concerned it does. These post do nothing but cause divisions, you believe one way, I believe another.......one day we will all know who was right, who was wrong. But here and now.................go your own way, I'll go mine. I have had my mind changed here by good honest scriptural supported debates, the debate about women preachers has "in my opinion" failed, and has been proven wrong over and over again. I at least, give the other side the benenfit of the doubt, and because of that, have changed my mind. But not on this one firehill sorry.

Don't avoid the implications I'm making please, like smalcald did. Just answer those because obvioulsy that has been what I've been addressing this whole time yet I keep getting in response this and that.

On the other hand be my guest keep avoiding the 'disobiedience' of the IC.

Just be consistent at least.

[Vickilynn]

Shalom Ooops,

Uh huh. Save your piety for the guy calling us names, it's wasted on me dude. And BTW, men can be "catty:" too, so check your own mirror, 'K?

and a hearty Shalom to you dear sister.

Am I pious. Wow what a compliment. Thank you. Now isn't it better to give compliments.

pious = of or pertaining to religious devotion; sacred rather than secular: pious literature.

And thank you, I've been checking my mirror all morning..... and all I see is the cheerful dude with a silly smile on his face trying to spread Christian cheer. Here I'll turn the mirror toward you so you can see tooo.

Shalom Ooops,

OOOPSSS! I forgot the word "false" before the word "piety." And no it wasn't a compliment, but I'm glad you took it as such. In other words, you are not one to call people catty or self-righteous when you are guilty of the same actions. So, please, just drop it OK?

Now, why not go outside and enjoy the lovely day??

[firehill]

Mission accomplished.

[Vickilynn]

Saints,

Gotta go but if Brother John happens to come back, show him some grace and patience.

Don't argue with him...just send a Report and one of the moderators will check it out.

Our intention is NOT to censor but rather it is to promote Christ. It isn't always a word and idea that offends but rather the presentation. It's that simple. Context is so important is discussions.

John appears very sincere and firm in his Faith. In the 4 years I have served here, I have seen many come ready for a fight and end up softening when they come to trust the brethren.

Y'all have fun with your discussion. I'm going outside now.

May the Lord Bless all of you richly!

wayne, your servant

Shalom Wayne,

You ARE a faithful servant. Thank you!!