Women pastors

[OopsMartin]

I guess I'm blessed. Not only am I blessed with a home ministry, but my wife enjoys my leadership and teaching through the Holy Spirit. She encourages me and loves to hear me speak about the word of the Lord. Near as I can tell, so do my children. The responsibility to preach and teach she has left up to me.

I do pray for those who have to deal with these kinds of issues though.

TWOE

Yes, you are indeed blessed in that you're interested in doing that. But that isn't what the thread is about. Even those husbands who have wives who like to lead home Bible studies for the family, that doesn't make them a pastor. And a husband and father who leads home Bible studies isn't a pastor either. It makes him a good father who likes to study the Bible with His family.

You said bible study, I didn't. I said ministry, We hold a sabbath service every week.

My apologies. So you have a Jewish Christian church in your home? Glad you explained that. I thought you were being strange referring to a home Bible study as a ministry.

[firehill]

and by all means use your concordance to look up "man" Eze 22:30

can some one help Oops please in case he doesnt have a concordance?

[TheWarOnError]

My apologies. So you have a Jewish Christian church in your home? Glad you explained that. I thought you were being strange referring to a home Bible study as a ministry.

No problem. Hey everyone...? Try Ezekiel 37.

We are here.

TWOE

[OopsMartin]

I think you are confusing God's will to carry out an action, and using it to justify your position, that youre violating scripture.

1. Deborah was not a high priest nor did she sacrifice in behalf of anyone. Lapidoth her husband did.

you see, no one is saying that God only commands men to do things. However, Deborah led an army. She did

not come to God and represent the army by commiting any acts that a high priest would do. Youre trying to say that and

use that story to justify your violation on scripture. thats really reaching it.

Deborah was THE Judge of the nation. Whatever decisions she made the people were commanded to obey or be subject to death. Her judgements were equal in power to the priests, except she was one notch higher; she was also The Prophet of the era and she could judge the priests if God so lead. None could judge her but God. Deborah was not a judge appointed by Moses or one of God's leaders. She WAS one of God's leaders, she was appointed by God. Not only was she The Judge of the nation but The Prophet of the era as well. Note also that many prophets were of such caliber that even the high priest looked to them for direction. Remember Huldah? The High Priest was one of those that the King sent to find a prophet, and he chose Huldah.

You seem to elevate the priests above their place of service because of their masculinity. The service of the prophets (male or female) was the first place of service and laid the foundation to enlarge all other services, and support all other services, much in the same way that Christ died to get "under" us and lift us up to him. The ministry of the prophets is one that laid foundations and as such was the strongest, most powerful ministry. And Deborah was a Prophet AND a Judge of the nation.

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[OopsMartin]

1. Deborah was not a high priest nor did she sacrifice in behalf of anyone. Lapidoth her husband did.

I'm curious what your interest in sacrifices is all about. Pastors are not priests and do not sacrifice anything. Christ was the last sacrifice. And we are now a spiritual nation of priests

[Neopatriarch]

Too I'd have to ask, how does 'they' (original Greek, like 'a woman') come into play? What is Paul saying about 'a woman' (meaning 'women' according to you) by v.15? 'She' (original Greek whci refers back to 'a woman' which stands for all women according to what your saying) will be saved through ...if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.' He can't say that 'she' will be saved through...if women continue in faith....etc. because that is grammaticaly impossible.

Paul is reverting back to the plural that he started with in verses 9 and 10. It means "women will be saved . . . if they continue . . . "

'She' refers back to Eve, but Eve is the prototypical woman (singular) here so she represents all women (plural). This further explains why Paul can switch from singular to plural in verse 15.

If 'they' included the woman's husband (as it has been suggested in this forum), then the woman's salvation would depend on her husband's continuing in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

-Neopatriarch

[st. Worm]

Women pastors are a mockery of Christ

I may be pressing the issue here, but I would like to know what you base this on. In what way to female shepards mock Christ. Do you have a Scripture for that?

I don't think so Oops. I'd like to know his answer also.

Maybe you should first consider the question of why God sent his only Son and not His daughter to save us and represent us. Maybe you should first consider why Jesus was a man and not a woman.

sw

[Guest]

..... Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for

God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

1 Peter 5:5

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:1

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Ephesians 4:29-32

My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

1 John 3:18

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[st. Worm]

Final questions for those who have fallen into the lure of feminism and women pastors:

Other than some minor and largely irrelevant picking at a few verses of Scripture (which we have seen in this thread) how do you overcome the clear prevalent words of Scripture, 2000 years of church history and the very practices of Jesus himself (I don't recall him any selecting any female apostles) and still move forward with your feminist agenda? Also, how do you explain away or ignore the results of that agenda in the churches and denominations where females were and continue to be ordained?

Nearly all these denominations (ELCA, PCUSA, and others) have fallen into various forms of apostasy, feminism, gnosticism and unbelief. Nearly all are on the verge of ordination of homosexuals. Nearly all have replaced the doctrine of justification and the gospel with a feel good social gospel, a politically correct agenda and liberal politics. All of those practices are the direct result of ordaining women and placing them in positions of church authority. Is this spirit of the anti-Christ so strong in you that you just ignore the reality of where women pastors and church leaders have taken so many?

Why can't you just be honest and admit your position is based completely on modern worldly views of gender equality and in reality have nothing to do with Scripture or the practices of the historical catholic church or the actions of our Lord and Savior?

I look forward to your non-answers, because in all frankness you cannot have plausible answers for these questions since the answers have already been provided in the existing reality of the debacles and heresies born from ordaining women as pastors.

sw

[OopsMartin]

(I don't recall him any selecting any female apostles)

Junia was an apostle, an outstanding apostle praised by Paul.

how do you explain away or ignore the results of that agenda in the churches and denominations where females were and continue to be ordained?

I am not aware of the troubles you speak of. I