Women pastors

[EricH]

Oh No!

Handmaidens Speaking God's Words

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Acts 2:17-18

To prophesy is not to teach. They are separate functions in the Body.

The entirety of scripture is a "prophetic message"? I think we should recognize that the Bible is sufficient for our needs and that most (if not all) "prophetic messages" uttered through a gift of prophecy should be an expounding or forth telling of scripture and not "...God wants you to get married to soandso..", or something like that.

"The Talmud teaches that there were hundreds of thousands of prophets, but Scripture quotes only fifty-five. What did the rest of them do, and why are so few mentioned in Scripture?

Be definition, prophets are people who had refined their minds and conduct sufficiently to deserve that God

[patricia1]

Oh No!

Handmaidens Speaking God's Words

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Acts 2:17-18

To prophesy is not to teach. They are separate functions in the Body.

The entirety of scripture is a "prophetic message"? I think we should recognize that the Bible is sufficient for our needs and that most (if not all) "prophetic messages" uttered through a gift of prophecy should be an expounding or forth telling of scripture and not "...God wants you to get married to soandso..", or something like that.

"The Talmud teaches that there were hundreds of thousands of prophets, but Scripture quotes only fifty-five. What did the rest of them do, and why are so few mentioned in Scripture?

Be definition, prophets are people who had refined their minds and conduct sufficiently to deserve that God

[OopsMartin]

3. GOD DOES NOT VIOLATE HIS OWN RULES

[patricia1]

Oh No!

Handmaidens Speaking God's Words

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Acts 2:17-18

To prophesy is not to teach. They are separate functions in the Body.

The entirety of scripture is a "prophetic message"? I think we should recognize that the Bible is sufficient for our needs and that most (if not all) "prophetic messages" uttered through a gift of prophecy should be an expounding or forth telling of scripture and not "...God wants you to get married to soandso..", or something like that.

"The Talmud teaches that there were hundreds of thousands of prophets, but Scripture quotes only fifty-five. What did the rest of them do, and why are so few mentioned in Scripture?

Be definition, prophets are people who had refined their minds and conduct sufficiently to deserve that God

[OopsMartin]

However, the NT gift of prophecy was very different that the OT understanding of who a prophet was

Agreed. It was somewhat different. But not that different. Prophets were still looked upon as scholars of the sacred scrolls as well as anointed teachers forthtelling revealing the truths already written, including foretelling. They did not however change into spiritualized psychics. That is a modern understanding.

I'll look at the other responses when I have time.

[patricia1]

However, the NT gift of prophecy was very different that the OT understanding of who a prophet was

Agreed. It was somewhat different. But not that different. Prophets were still looked upon as scholars of the sacred scrolls as well as anointed teachers forthtelling revealing the truths already written, including foretelling. They did not however change into spiritualized psychics. That is a modern understanding.

I'll look at the other responses when I have time.

How many times does ruach appear in the testament? Was the difference due to the day of pentecoste does one think? Yet The Holy Spirit Did fall upon both men and women prior... Even Hannah talked as thouh she was drunk and I believ e sara. Sorry if I am wrong about sara. Well anyway does not ruach and pnuema mostly coincide. I wonder How many today would be stoned. Most actually see way ahead of time these days. But in the old times they relied on prophets for victory of war and leaderships. We wouldn't stone them today but lock them up and place them on antidepressants( Jeremiah ) And those who saw visions would be on anti psychotics, and of course those who heard God. ( voices) Paul would never be accepted due to his killing of christians....Peter had such a uncotrolled temper, Timothy was scared of his shadow, Luke would be frowned upon by the faith teachers and so on. No, none is worthy.. it is who will answer His call. Many are called...Few are chosen. few are chosen....why!!!!!! all a mans ways seem right in his own eye, But God weighs the heart....my favorite scripture love in christ patrish

[Ovedya]

However, the NT gift of prophecy was very different that the OT understanding of who a prophet was

Agreed. It was somewhat different. But not that different. Prophets were still looked upon as scholars of the sacred scrolls as well as anointed teachers forthtelling revealing the truths already written, including foretelling. They did not however change into spiritualized psychics. That is a modern understanding.

I'll look at the other responses when I have time.

To prophesy in the context of the New Testament church in 1 Corinthians 14 is very different than an Old Testament prophet's delivering a message from God. To begin with, many (Even all) believers prophesy in the church, according to that passage in 1 Cor. 14, including women.

[irishcowboy]

just a thought.......

who was the first one..... THATS RIGHT, THE FIRST ONE.... to preach Christ Resurrected....

who was the one that was the first human to have the knowledge of The Resurrection and then started sharing it with others (preaching it, teaching it, proclaiming it).....

mike

[exrockstar]

just a thought.......

who was the first one..... THATS RIGHT, THE FIRST ONE.... to preach Christ Resurrected....

who was the one that was the first human to have the knowledge of The Resurrection and then started sharing it with others (preaching it, teaching it, proclaiming it).....

mike

preach to the world? i suppose the 11 disciples after they met Jesus where they we instructed to meet Him.

i think youre trying to mix "witnessing" the resurrrection with "preaching" the resurrection?

some are reaching way to far to justify their position.

that's like me really reaching and saying who wrote the gospels. lol

lets not throw in the kitchen sink.

[MeCajunboy]

Well by now we all should know the position of both male and female when it comes to preaching or teaching the bible. However I will say this from my own point of view.

I would sooner listen to a woman, with a good working knowledge of both OT and NT and give a good account of scripture, than listen to the watered down version from the likes of the so-called experts like Scheuller, Warren, Mclaren and Bell, to name a few.

There are lots of ladies, that have been on this board as long as I have, and some not so long, who I would sooner hear from, than some of the fly-by-night know-it-all argumentative males who post on here. As far as women being allowed to speak in church, I suppose it depends on what some folk consider church. I have no qualms with a pastor who allows his wife to share his ministry from time to time. After all I was lead to the Lord by my wife and daughters who prayed their knees off for me and was baptised my one of my daughters.....so whats the big deal.

I'm with you eric, I know one thing as I grow older and hopefully wiser, I know God's Word no matter who "preaches" or teaches it and if any woman feels she has a gift or Word from God, I'm all ears......Actually, if God's word came out of a donkey's rear, as long as it was "awe-inspiring" I could care less. I believe God's already spoken out of a donkey's mouth......nothing matters at this point as long as you know it's God......