Women pastors

[irishcowboy]

i am just asking questions.....

Who is the Great Commission for? one or all???

[eric]

Getting back to 1Tim.2:12.

In all of Pauls epistles, except the two to Timothy, he usually referred to what was permissable to the church, either by God, Jesus, the Lord or the Holy Spirit. In this case he used the personal pronoun....I.....not any part of the Godhead, but himself personally. It was not in any message to any of the churches, but to his personal friend who was leaning to be a leader. Different apostles had a style of their own of projecting the gospel message and some students have a different way of applying the result.

Ovedya, recently posted this,

Modern-day (that is, at least the past 30 years or so) "preaching" has confused and blurred the line between the two things. Although there were very clear differences between preaching the gospel and teaching in the early church, the modern church has re-interpreted the verses in 1 Tim. according to modern-day practices. The church has gotten entirely to loose in its teaching of the doctrines of the church.

and I agree, and it's the denominational differences that are confusing people. Some denoms will agree with the way I see things and some won't.

[irishcowboy]

Getting back to 1Tim.2:12.

In all of Pauls epistles, except the two to Timothy, he usually referred to what was permissable to the church, either by God, Jesus, the Lord or the Holy Spirit. In this case he used the personal pronoun....I.....not any part of the Godhead, but himself personally. It was not in any message to any of the churches, but to his personal friend who was leaning to be a leader. Different apostles had a style of their own of projecting the gospel message and some students have a different way of applying the result.

Ovedya, recently posted this,

Modern-day (that is, at least the past 30 years or so) "preaching" has confused and blurred the line between the two things. Although there were very clear differences between preaching the gospel and teaching in the early church, the modern church has re-interpreted the verses in 1 Tim. according to modern-day practices. The church has gotten entirely to loose in its teaching of the doctrines of the church.

and I agree, and it's the denominational differences that are confusing people. Some denoms will agree with the way I see things and some won't.

True,

Paul would diferentiate between his thoughts and words and God's.....

here he (Paul) uses (as was stated) the pronoun "I" and not God's....

sometimes i wish that the letters the other apostles had been included with Pauls, and Johns and and and, such as Bartholomews..... would be interesting to see....

with the death and resurection of Christ, all the OLD traditions were thrown and tossed and became upside down.....

[irishcowboy]

a woman was used to bring an entire town to Christ,

was Christ wrong for using a woman to tell (preach, teach ) others about Him?

mike

[Smalcald]

Women are certainly used by Christ to bring people to Him. Actually I think an argument can be made that He is using women today or at least women are responding today more than men!

But if you don't have an organized congregation with administrative functions, which specifically calls and ordains people, then certainly this question of ordaining women or not is totally muddied so I can see some of the confusion.

[Guest]

[EricH]

just a thought.......

who was the first one..... THATS RIGHT, THE FIRST ONE.... to preach Christ Resurrected....

who was the one that was the first human to have the knowledge of The Resurrection and then started sharing it with others (preaching it, teaching it, proclaiming it).....

mike

Nothing wrong at all with preaching Christ and Him crucified. That is a subject which all believers - regardless of gender - have been commanded to do.

Yet that is an issue separate from the doctrinal teachings of the church.

If a woman can preach Christ wouldn't that include all things about him??? Why he came, about his Father, his death and resurrection, his kingdom, his inheritance, his everything??? What about all the things Paul said about him? Can a woman not teach those things to? Would these 'doctrinal teachings' you speak of exclude ALL the teachings of Christ (his commandments, his parables, his teachings on his Father and himself, thier oneness, his teachings on the kingdom, his healings, his miracles, his miracles of deliverance, his Lordship...) that were received by his disciples, male and female? Isn't it ALL HIS?

Was a woman who learned from him as a disciple of his also excluded to teach others what she was taught by him? Such things as these are the most important doctrinal teachings of the church. So are women excluded form teaching them? Were his female disciples? Did he exclude them from teaching what he taught them, and his everything?

Again, the context is the local church. She can certainly use her teaching gifts. She is limited to using it in certina situations.

[EricH]

However, the NT gift of prophecy was very different that the OT understanding of who a prophet was

Agreed. It was somewhat different. But not that different. Prophets were still looked upon as scholars of the sacred scrolls as well as anointed teachers forthtelling revealing the truths already written, including foretelling. They did not however change into spiritualized psychics. That is a modern understanding.

I'll look at the other responses when I have time.

It was actually very different. In the OT to not listen to a prophet was punishable by death. IN the NT we are encouraged to evaluate the message of the prophets for accuracy. Don't know what you mean by "spiritualized physics"

[Smalcald]

What do people think about husband and wife teams?

I made myself I think clear about my views on the ordination of women; however I also do not have a problem with a husband and wife working together in the ministry as long as the male fulfills his biblical role. I have seen this done very effectively in some congregations and have seen it done with big problems in others.

[EricH]

3. GOD DOES NOT VIOLATE HIS OWN RULES