Women pastors

[OopsMartin]

Let's get down to the nitty gritty dude. Which of the feminine denominations are you with? And yes, your statement reflected bias against males whether you are one or not. But then again many weak men in feminist denominations have decided to allow women to take over their church just like you. That is essentially how it happened. And based on your prior post, blaming men for the world's problems, apparently you have bought into their feminine world view. Step up to the plate and be a man and take your church back.

sw

Well dude, I don't know any feminist denominations. There may be some masculinist denominations though, that would be churches that are hard lined patricarchal.

As for me, I'm a charismatic So. Baptist. Some of us ordain women and some of us don't. Most don't.

Weak men. LOL I've always thought the really weak men were the most threatened by women who are smart and skilled. Strong women don't threaten me.

Blaming men for the worlds problems. Hmmmm you mean that all our patriarchal societies with strong male leadership who warred against each other for who knows what reasons aren't responsible for the results of their strong male decisions? Come on. Of course men are primarily responsible for the leadership they exercise. When women exercise leadership they are responsible for the good and bad of it too. But we all know that know matter how many skilled and gifted female leaders there are, there will always be more male leaders than females. that means that males will always be primarily responsible for the ills of the world. Comes with the territory.

But really sw, let's knock off the personal attacks and get back to disagreeing about Bibilical interpretations. Calling me names just doesn't impress me nor does it make me question my years of research on the subject at hand.

[OopsMartin]

Clearly positions of authority including that of pastor are limited to males and that has been demonstrated throughout the thread.

1 Timothy 3 isn't even talking about shepherds (pastors). Paul used different Greek words there. And in Ephesians 4 there are no limitations of the gifts placed on women.

Show my your resume concerning Greek language studies and explain why your conclusions differ from every credible theologian in church history on this. Oh of course, they are all sexists.

sw

There are lots of credible highly qualified Greek scholars who agree with the validity of females in leadership, and disagree with the patriarchal viewpoints on the subject. Let's not do a "my scholar is better than your scholar" deal, eh.

[OopsMartin]

And we who are desiring to be like Him so that we can see Him as He is, if one of us happens to be a pastor of a flock of Jesus' people would he/she not be attempting to follow His example?

Shalom Rumple,

No. Jesus did not ordain women pastors.

Women who want to live like Jesus should follow His commands as well as His example. No one "just happens" to be a pastor Rumple. It is a serious thing. And something that the Scriptures do not support.

VickiLynn, Jesus didn't ordain anyone including male pastors. Ordination rituals were an invention of the Catholic church.

[st. Worm]

Let's get down to the nitty gritty dude. Which of the feminine denominations are you with? And yes, your statement reflected bias against males whether you are one or not. But then again many weak men in feminist denominations have decided to allow women to take over their church just like you. That is essentially how it happened. And based on your prior post, blaming men for the world's problems, apparently you have bought into their feminine world view. Step up to the plate and be a man and take your church back.

sw

Well dude, I don't know any feminist denominations. There may be some masculinist denominations though, that would be churches that are hard lined patricarchal.

As for me, I'm a charismatic So. Baptist. Some of us ordain women and some of us don't. Most don't.

Weak men. LOL I've always thought the really weak men were the most threatened by women who are smart and skilled. Strong women don't threaten me.

Blaming men for the worlds problems. Hmmmm you mean that all our patriarchal societies with strong male leadership who warred against each other for who knows what reasons aren't responsible for the results of their strong male decisions? Come on. Of course men are primarily responsible for the leadership they exercise. When women exercise leadership they are responsible for the good and bad of it too. But we all know that know matter how many skilled and gifted female leaders there are, there will always be more male leaders than females. that means that males will always be primarily responsible for the ills of the world. Comes with the territory.

But really sw, let's knock off the personal attacks and get back to disagreeing about Bibilical interpretations. Calling me names just doesn't impress me nor does it make me question my years of research on the subject at hand.

No name calling here. But you are the one who wants to blame men for the worlds problems. As I said its a fact that women who have been political leaders can be just as cold and ruthless as any man. The problem is sin, not gender dude.

You want to buy into feminist propaganda, so be it.

As for feminists denominations I would include the Presby USA and the ELCA for sure. Its a tragedy what has happened to them since they began ordaining women in disregard for God's Word. Next up, homosexual ordination and the same poor arguments will be used to do that.

sw

[Vickilynn]

as a woman I have been Jesus' eyes,ears mouth, hands and so on being a conduit of His Grace and many blessings that are awaiting in the many vats in Heaven to be poured down here. I do not hav a Pastors heart...that is a trmendous heart filled witha anointint of royal parenthood over His people. As my pastor once told me with a laugh I would have no congregants. My answers would always be, was the premise of correction according to the scriptures done and nothing has changed throw 'em out yet if there is a problemwithinnorthorn new jersey or mid hudson I get calls. There is a time for tenderness and a time to be clear and focused. A little bit of arsenic in a bag of flour is not a good thing. I know a wonderful woman pastor. We have been friends for 20 yrs. She is 80 yrs old. When she walks into the room ths LOVE of JESUS permeatesthe room, as a shepherd she took care of all her sheep no matter what time of day

how many times they backslide and always seem to see what the Lord saw, This helped her never to give up on anybody.

Without woman the tabernacle would not be built. A woman can bang a nail. But how many men back then knew how to sew or die fabric.? Jesus did not say a woman cannot be a pastor and he said nothing about whether a woman can. But as I will say it again The Holy Spirit knows no Gender. Anyway what are men suppose to do? be pastors....work...teach at thats it in life? I think that is sexist! We have shared responsibility. I know a woman who had a tremendous preaching ministry. Her Husband besides other gifts was appointed to intercede and Birth. The Lord Jesus worked mighty things through her...Most likely due to her husband,being able to humble himself and obey God They were richly rewarded with multitudes of salvations that remained saved in Jesus name patrish

Shalom Patricia,

I think you have missed the point. No one is saying that women have no role in the Body. Of course we do! However, the Scriptures do not show that women should be ordained and function as pastors. Whether you think it's sexist or not, the Bible is our foundation and Jesus did not ordain or allow women pastors.

Women have awesome roles, responsibilities, gifts and talents to be used for the Body of Messiah and to His glory. However, being a pastor or in any role if authority over men is not part of those womanly roles, according to the Scriptures.

[st. Worm]

And we who are desiring to be like Him so that we can see Him as He is, if one of us happens to be a pastor of a flock of Jesus' people would he/she not be attempting to follow His example?

Shalom Rumple,

No. Jesus did not ordain women pastors.

Women who want to live like Jesus should follow His commands as well as His example. No one "just happens" to be a pastor Rumple. It is a serious thing. And something that the Scriptures do not support.

VickiLynn, Jesus didn't ordain anyone including male pastors. Ordination rituals were an invention of the Catholic church.

Jesus ordained or selected the apostles and they were all males and this was not a coincidence.

sw

[Vickilynn]

And we who are desiring to be like Him so that we can see Him as He is, if one of us happens to be a pastor of a flock of Jesus' people would he/she not be attempting to follow His example?

Shalom Rumple,

No. Jesus did not ordain women pastors.

Women who want to live like Jesus should follow His commands as well as His example. No one "just happens" to be a pastor Rumple. It is a serious thing. And something that the Scriptures do not support.

VickiLynn, Jesus didn't ordain anyone including male pastors. Ordination rituals were an invention of the Catholic church.

Shalom ooops,

You're a little too quick to argue with what I say, just because I'm the one saying it.

Ordain means to appoint, authorize, order. I'm not talking man's ordination. The statement stands. Jesus did not ordain (appoint, authorize, order, decree, consecrate etc.) women pastors.

[OopsMartin]

Let's get down to the nitty gritty dude. Which of the feminine denominations are you with? And yes, your statement reflected bias against males whether you are one or not. But then again many weak men in feminist denominations have decided to allow women to take over their church just like you. That is essentially how it happened. And based on your prior post, blaming men for the world's problems, apparently you have bought into their feminine world view. Step up to the plate and be a man and take your church back.

sw

Well dude, I don't know any feminist denominations. There may be some masculinist denominations though, that would be churches that are hard lined patricarchal.

As for me, I'm a charismatic So. Baptist. Some of us ordain women and some of us don't. Most don't.

Weak men. LOL I've always thought the really weak men were the most threatened by women who are smart and skilled. Strong women don't threaten me.

Blaming men for the worlds problems. Hmmmm you mean that all our patriarchal societies with strong male leadership who warred against each other for who knows what reasons aren't responsible for the results of their strong male decisions? Come on. Of course men are primarily responsible for the leadership they exercise. When women exercise leadership they are responsible for the good and bad of it too. But we all know that know matter how many skilled and gifted female leaders there are, there will always be more male leaders than females. that means that males will always be primarily responsible for the ills of the world. Comes with the territory.

But really sw, let's knock off the personal attacks and get back to disagreeing about Bibilical interpretations. Calling me names just doesn't impress me nor does it make me question my years of research on the subject at hand.

No name calling here. But you are the one who wants to blame men for the worlds problems. As I said its a fact that women who have been political leaders can be just as cold and ruthless as any man. The problem is sin, not gender dude.

You want to buy into feminist propaganda, so be it.

As for feminists denominations I would include the Presby USA and the ELCA for sure. Its a tragedy what has happened to them since they began ordaining women in disregard for God's Word. Next up, homosexual ordination and the same poor arguments will be used to do that.

sw

There are no feminist denominations. Trying to negatively lable good Christians churches because of a few of their doctrines you don't like is not wise.

And as for men and leadership answer me this. Is a leader responsible for the effects of their leadership? Most would say yes. If 90 % of the world has male leaders, than male leaders are indeed responsible for 90% of the nations ills. Is Bush responsible for his bad decisions? Most would say yes. Then the man Bush is responsible for those bad decisions.

If it doesn't matter what gender they are, then why are we talking about how important gender is in leadership. I thought that the point was that only male leadership was worthy or capable according to a few people here. So, no I'm am not "blaming" men, but will certainly hold all leadership responsible for their bad decisions. And since of all leadership the world over, it is primarily men; then male leadership is primarily responsible for the ills of the world. If you cannot concede that men (and women) are responsible for what they do, then I'm worried for you.

[OopsMartin]

Shalom ooops,

You're a little too quick to argue with what I say, just because I'm the one saying it.

Ordain means to appoint, authorize, order. I'm not talking man's ordination. The statement stands. Jesus did not ordain (appoint, authorize, order, decree, consecrate etc.) women pastors.

Now why would I do that?

You forget that Jesus didn't ppoint, authorize, order, decree, consecrate etc. male pastors either. Can you show me a Scripture that shows Christ appointing any pastor? Just something you should be aware of.

[Vickilynn]

Shalom Ooops,

Straining at gnats and swallowing camels again?

I haven't forgotten a thing, thank you.

Please show me ONE Scripture in the NT where a woman was ordained as a pastor and we'll talk.