jgredline Posted July 28, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 30 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2007 (edited) Hi folks... Does this section of scripture imply that a Christian can loose his salvation? 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. Edited July 28, 2007 by jgredline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kari21 Posted July 28, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 140 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,846 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/05/1987 Share Posted July 28, 2007 Hebrews 6:4-6 states, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickilynn Posted July 28, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2007 Hi folks... Does this section of scripture imply that a Christian can loose his salvation? 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. Shalom, I believe this Scriptures shows that a Christian can WALK AWAY or FALL AWAY from their salvation, by their own CHOICE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryt Posted July 29, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,230 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 124 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/03/1952 Share Posted July 29, 2007 Hi folks... Does this section of scripture imply that a Christian can loose his salvation? 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. This verse is not talking about walking away or lose of salvation. For it is impossible ... if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. I removed a parenthetical thought that the writer inserted in order to look at the verse more closely. It is talking about renewing to repentance and how absurd it is to think that Jesus would have to return again and again. He did everything perfectly and completely the first time. The verse is not saying that we can lose our salvation, but that our salvation is complete in Christ. This is the whole massage of the book of Hebrews. Christ better than the angels, the prophets, everything. Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted July 30, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2007 Hi folks... Does this section of scripture imply that a Christian can loose his salvation? 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. This verse is not talking about walking away or lose of salvation. For it is impossible ... if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. I removed a parenthetical thought that the writer inserted in order to look at the verse more closely. It is talking about renewing to repentance and how absurd it is to think that Jesus would have to return again and again. He did everything perfectly and completely the first time. The verse is not saying that we can lose our salvation, but that our salvation is complete in Christ. This is the whole massage of the book of Hebrews. Christ better than the angels, the prophets, everything. Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. LT If one believes that this passage teaches that a believer can loose their salvation, it also teaches that they cannot be saved again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsth Posted July 30, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 297 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 5,586 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 193 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/09/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2007 2 Tim 2:10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory. 11 Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; 12 if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us; 13 if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself. 14 Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17 Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have wandered away from the truth. In His Love, Suzanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st. Worm Posted July 30, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,447 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 45 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/26/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2007 You have to do some real scripture twisting to say this is not a serious warning to all believers. The passage does not specifically say anyone has fallen away or lost their salvation although it clearly implies its possible for that to happen. It gives a clear warning and to treat it otherwise seems rather foolhardy. It is just as much God's word as any promise we have concerning the certainty of salvation. sw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted July 30, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2007 You have to do some real scripture twisting to say this is not a serious warning to all believers. The passage does not specifically say anyone has fallen away or lost their salvation although it clearly implies its possible for that to happen. It gives a clear warning and to treat it otherwise seems rather foolhardy. It is just as much God's word as any promise we have concerning the certainty of salvation. sw True, But one must also wrestle with all of the implications of where they land regarding this passage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speaker Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 You have to do some real scripture twisting to say this is not a serious warning to all believers. The passage does not specifically say anyone has fallen away or lost their salvation although it clearly implies its possible for that to happen. It gives a clear warning and to treat it otherwise seems rather foolhardy. It is just as much God's word as any promise we have concerning the certainty of salvation. sw I agree. The third chapter of Hebrews has more to say on this topic: 3:1 Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, (these are Christians being spoken to) fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest who we confess. 2 He was faithful to the One who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God's house...6 But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. And we are his house, IF we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast...12 See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that TURNS AWAY from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is call Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. 14 We have come to share in Christ IF we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutzrein Posted August 3, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 305 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/22/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1950 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Hi folks... Does this section of scripture imply that a Christian can loose his salvation? 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. No it doesn't imply it. It states it clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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