God knows ALL things ?

[MeCajunboy]

Cajunboy::: No ma'am! Not exactly. If you would take a moment to read Gen 6:5 you might begin to understand the complexity of my quest ! I only wish it were that easy to comprehend.

Hey - I'm not trying to imply I believe this is easy to comprehend!

"More to God incarnating Himself as man to redeem us that "Just" dealing with sin? As in what more? Please explain your last thought?

As best as you can, try to imagine the kind of relationship Adam and Eve had with the Lord before the Fall.

Now, consider the kind of relationship we have with the Lord having been purchased by Him at His own expense. Imagine even more what our relationship with Him will be like once we are free form this body of sin.

Try praying and pondering on this thought for a while, OK?

Cajunboy:::: Some things are better left to God ma'am! If 33 years of pondering and praying on it between God and I only got me this far with my quest., Why should I be surprised if mere man can figure it out. Thanks for your efforts but that wasn't the direction I was going in !

Be Blessed

Cajunboy

[nebula]

Cajunboy:::: Some things are better left to God ma'am! If 33 years of pondering and praying on it between God and I only got me this far with my quest., Why should I be surprised if mere man can figure it out. Thanks for your efforts but that wasn't the direction I was going in !

Be Blessed

Cajunboy

OK, but you were asking "why" as I understand.

"To put it another way, If HE knew how the people of early times would behave(sinwise) why would he think that destroying HIS world with a flood and destroying the people on it would have changed anything??? It just seems to me that if God knew and knows people , even of the future generations, wouldn't HE also know that it would be senseless to destroy people if HE also knew that eventually , with sin intervening, people would come to the point that we're seeing now, which by the way is almost a repeat of early times."

What I'm trying to get you to think about was if God had been planning on the Cross from the beginning - then of course He would know the pattern of sin would repeat itself.

[kari21]

Hi again everyone,

My topic may seem simplistic but if you think it through with me you'll see why I'm concerned ! We all know that the Bible tells us that "God knows all things past, present and future. Hope it makes sense? I'm much better expaining one-on-one!

Blesisngs

Cajunboy

Where does it say that God knows the future as actual before it comes into existence? God knows the past and present exhaustively, but the future has an element of uncertainty so is correctly known as possible.

Open Theism elaborates on these issues and why exhaustive foreknowledge of future free will contingencies is illogical.

"Behold, the former things have come to pass, and new things I declare; before they spring forth I tell you of them" (Isaiah 42:9)

"Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know -- Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death" (Acts 2:22-23).

"And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified" (Romans 8:28-30).

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He has made us accepted in the Beloved" (Ephesians 1:3-6).

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied" (I Peter 1:1-2).

"Remember the former things of old, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure,' calling a bird of prey from the east, the man who executes My counsel, from a far country. Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass. I have purposed it; I will also do it" (Isaiah 46:9-11).

[MeCajunboy]

Cajunboy:::: Some things are better left to God ma'am! If 33 years of pondering and praying on it between God and I only got me this far with my quest., Why should I be surprised if mere man can figure it out. Thanks for your efforts but that wasn't the direction I was going in !

Be Blessed

Cajunboy

OK, but you were asking "why" as I understand.

"To put it another way, If HE knew how the people of early times would behave(sinwise) why would he think that destroying HIS world with a flood and destroying the people on it would have changed anything??? It just seems to me that if God knew and knows people , even of the future generations, wouldn't HE also know that it would be senseless to destroy people if HE also knew that eventually , with sin intervening, people would come to the point that we're seeing now, which by the way is almost a repeat of early times."

What I'm trying to get you to think about was if God had been planning on the Cross from the beginning - then of course He would know the pattern of sin would repeat itself.

Cajunboy::::So again I have to ask, "If God knows the future of man's hearts and mind in the ways of their sins, and HE knew it even then in early times, WHY was HE so surprised that and so saddened by their sinful actions that HE decided to destroy both land and men ?" One almost gets the impression that God was surprised by their actions of constant and deliberate sin!! How is this if HE knows all well in advance, and HE knows their future endeavors?

[terter]

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

[nebula]

Cajunboy::::So again I have to ask, "If God knows the future of man's hearts and mind in the ways of their sins, and HE knew it even then in early times, WHY was HE so surprised that and so saddened by their sinful actions that HE decided to destroy both land and men ?" One almost gets the impression that God was surprised by their actions of constant and deliberate sin!! How is this if HE knows all well in advance, and HE knows their future endeavors?

Why do I still cry when Bambi's mother dies?

[MeCajunboy]

Cajunboy::::So again I have to ask, "If God knows the future of man's hearts and mind in the ways of their sins, and HE knew it even then in early times, WHY was HE so surprised that and so saddened by their sinful actions that HE decided to destroy both land and men ?" One almost gets the impression that God was surprised by their actions of constant and deliberate sin!! How is this if HE knows all well in advance, and HE knows their future endeavors?

Why do I still cry when Bambi's mother dies?

Yea! I know what you mean. I still cry when I know I'm running out of deer meat in the freezer! lol

[nebula]

Yea! I know what you mean. I still cry when I know I'm running out of deer meat in the freezer! lol

Good come-back!

I hope you understand what I was conveying with that, though.

[patricia1]

It just seems to me that if God knew and knows people , even of the future generations, wouldn't HE also know that it would be senseless to destroy people if HE also knew that eventually , with sin intervening, people would come to the point that we're seeing now, which by the way is almost a repeat of early times. History is practically repeating itself,but in a different location !

It sounds to me like you don't think the Lord had planned out the need for Him to incarnate Himself as a man so that He could become the final atoning sacrifice for all sin.

Cajunboy::: Sorry if it sounds like that to YOU! But that's not what my question was meant to do. And if you think about even your own statement against my thoughts that "Perhaps there really wouln't have been a need for God to send HIS SON to suffer so much of a world of pathetic and sinful people if we had only listened to HIS WORD to begin with. While I realize tha it must have been inevitable to God that man would take the path of least resistance and choose to sin, one has to wonder why that one issue really had to exist....And I also realize that it began with the two first people on earth.....I still have to wonder.

Actually, I think you missed my train of thought in what I stated.

What I see is that you are trying to understand the eternal from the perspective of the temporal. Might it be possible that there was more to God incarnating Himself as man to redeem us than "just" dealing with sin?

i Understand your question completly. Jeremiah 32:17,27 states the omnipotence of God

psalm 139 7-12 states He is ever present, omnipotent

1 john 3:20 states He is all knowing, omniscience

Your question is after all that damage done to wipe out sin in the days of noah, did he not know that down the line it will be worse? Like when scripture states that the last days will be worse than in the days of Noah? I would say yes. Then why allow it? well that i will have to seek Jesus for. But if you look at the time sequence from Adam to the flood is very short. Ours from the flood is longer, He has more children to love and love Him back perhaps.

I think when he went looking for adam and eve in the garden after they bit the fruit. Where are you? and Who told you that? were not because God could not find them or did not know what happened. Talk to you tomorrow. Good question though P. S. If I am wrong let me know.

[MeCajunboy]

It just seems to me that if God knew and knows people , even of the future generations, wouldn't HE also know that it would be senseless to destroy people if HE also knew that eventually , with sin intervening, people would come to the point that we're seeing now, which by the way is almost a repeat of early times. History is practically repeating itself,but in a different location !

It sounds to me like you don't think the Lord had planned out the need for Him to incarnate Himself as a man so that He could become the final atoning sacrifice for all sin.

Cajunboy::: Sorry if it sounds like that to YOU! But that's not what my question was meant to do. And if you think about even your own statement against my thoughts that "Perhaps there really wouln't have been a need for God to send HIS SON to suffer so much of a world of pathetic and sinful people if we had only listened to HIS WORD to begin with. While I realize tha it must have been inevitable to God that man would take the path of least resistance and choose to sin, one has to wonder why that one issue really had to exist....And I also realize that it began with the two first people on earth.....I still have to wonder.

Actually, I think you missed my train of thought in what I stated.

What I see is that you are trying to understand the eternal from the perspective of the temporal. Might it be possible that there was more to God incarnating Himself as man to redeem us than "just" dealing with sin?

i Understand your question completly. Jeremiah 32:17,27 states the omnipotence of God

psalm 139 7-12 states He is ever present, omnipotent

1 john 3:20 states He is all knowing, omniscience

Your question is after all that damage done to wipe out sin in the days of noah, did he not know that down the line it will be worse? Like when scripture states that the last days will be worse than in the days of Noah? I would say yes. Then why allow it? well that i will have to seek Jesus for. But if you look at the time sequence from Adam to the flood is very short. Ours from the flood is longer, He has more children to love and love Him back perhaps.

I think when he went looking for adam and eve in the garden after they bit the fruit. Where are you? and Who told you that? were not because God could not find them or did not know what happened. Talk to you tomorrow. Good question though P. S. If I am wrong let me know.

Cajunboy::::Yes! Patricia, this answers part of my question. I guess this entire topic should have been broken down into parts because it's a very large topic to discuss and seems to have many roots to it. Actually, you all answered parts of it. My main confusion is why God seemed so surprised at his people that they would choose to remain sin (Israelites) to the point of destroying everyone and everything , if HE is "All-Knowing?" This hints to me that God would not have had much reason to be surprised or disappointed if HE already knows the way and fait of HIS people??? NO?