God knows ALL things ?

[Guest BackInTouch]

I think that God knew how things would eventually turn out but He didn't want to just throw away His creation made in His image. He wanted all people to know just how great He really is. He promised not to do it again but just the fact that He had done it once already might have given people an idea of what else He might do if sin was ever that prevelent again. We have seemingly forgotten that in this late date in history and sin is running the earth once again. We will have to see what happens.

[None]

God made certain of His creations to do certain things. The angels are separated into groups with roles that God gave them and He knew they would fit those roles perfectly because He MADE them to fit those roles perfectly.

He made Lucifer. Lucifer had free will. God must have made him to have this free will, yes? Lucifer chose to do evil and God kicked him out of His perfect Heaven where no sin is permitted. God's house, God's rules. Disobey God's rules and you're out. God wanted children to fellowship with and not "robots" who do what He "programmed" them to do(figure of speech, don't go all nuts), He wanted creations to choose to obey Him and fellowship with Him. But make them in Heaven as He did Lucifer, and dirty up the Heaven with those of us who chose disobedience? What about - make them on earth, a testing ground, and invite those who choose to do good and believe in Him and His ways. I believe He knew perfectly well what He was doing when He put that shiney red button in the middle of the garden of Eden. He knew perfectly well what He was doing when He said, "be fruitful and multiply" too. And He knew we would ALL choose disobedience. He knew Jesus would be the only Way, Truth and Life everlasting for us, the disobedient sinners, before He even created man in His image.

His image of free will.

I believe God is not ruled by time, as we are, and God's ways are not our ways and His thinking is FAR superior to ours.

How can any of us even begin to understand this concept?

[MeCajunboy]

It just seems to me that if God knew and knows people , even of the future generations, wouldn't HE also know that it would be senseless to destroy people if HE also knew that eventually , with sin intervening, people would come to the point that we're seeing now, which by the way is almost a repeat of early times. History is practically repeating itself,but in a different location !

It sounds to me like you don't think the Lord had planned out the need for Him to incarnate Himself as a man so that He could become the final atoning sacrifice for all sin.

No ma'am, that's not what I'm saying> Perhaps you're reading to deep into my thought pattern. I merely don't understand that if "God is all knowing" and I believe that HE is, Past , present and future, He would have already known that man is a weak natured spirit, and would have had no reason to destroy HIS world even the first time with a flood...Only the evil people!

[Carol R]

This may sound very simplistic but bare with me,

God knew what would happen but he needs us to learn??????

Am I missing the point completely??????

I do sometimes lol

Blessings

[MeCajunboy]

This may sound very simplistic but bare with me,

God knew what would happen but he needs us to learn??????

Am I missing the point completely??????

I do sometimes lol

Blessings

No Carol, You said it all in a "nutshell!" You got the point exactly..

[Guest Cudabob]

Hi again everyone,

My topic may seem simplistic but if you think it through with me you'll see why I'm concerned ! We all know that the Bible tells us that "God knows all things past, present and future. I have learned to trust my instincts and moreso trust the Word of the Bible; mainly God's Words. My question, if I can get through it all is, "If God knew and knows all things, when HE decided to flood the earth and basically save one large family and sets of most of the animals, why would HE have to say "I will never destroy my world for the sake of my people again? To put it another way, If HE knew how the people of early times would behave(sinwise) why would he think that destroying HIS world with a flood and destroying the people on it would have changed anything??? Does this make any sense? It just seems to me that if God knew and knows people , even of the future generations, wouldn't HE also know that it would be senseless to destroy people if HE also knew that eventually , with sin intervening, people would come to the point that we're seeing now, which by the way is almost a repeat of early times. History is practically repeating itself,but in a different location !

Or one might also ask themselves, why would God destroy the Israelites, which by the way we are told in the Bible that only two of the original several thousand lived to see the promised land, that the others died along the 40 year trip through the desert. But if God knew, the outcome already with the Israelites demise, and the fact that God's people eventually became a repeat of what HIS favorite Israelites did? Another words, what good did it do GOD to destroy HIS favored people, if they only did it again.....And as we know, God could have seen all this from the start, but chose to destroy HIS first chosen group????

Hope it makes sense? I'm much better expaining one-on-one!

Blesisngs

Cajunboy

Gods ways and thoughts are higher than ours. God can do whatever he wants, whether we understand it or not. Who are we to question God? Who are we to think God must make sure we understand him. We are a mist, a vapor, that appears for a brief moment then disapears. Shall the pot say to the potter, why have you formed me this way? Our wisdom is foolishness to God.

Edited September 16, 2007 by Cudabob

[MeCajunboy]

Hi again everyone,

My topic may seem simplistic but if you think it through with me you'll see why I'm concerned ! We all know that the Bible tells us that "God knows all things past, present and future. I have learned to trust my instincts and moreso trust the Word of the Bible; mainly God's Words. My question, if I can get through it all is, "If God knew and knows all things, when HE decided to flood the earth and basically save one large family and sets of most of the animals, why would HE have to say "I will never destroy my world for the sake of my people again? To put it another way, If HE knew how the people of early times would behave(sinwise) why would he think that destroying HIS world with a flood and destroying the people on it would have changed anything??? Does this make any sense? It just seems to me that if God knew and knows people , even of the future generations, wouldn't HE also know that it would be senseless to destroy people if HE also knew that eventually , with sin intervening, people would come to the point that we're seeing now, which by the way is almost a repeat of early times. History is practically repeating itself,but in a different location !

Or one might also ask themselves, why would God destroy the Israelites, which by the way we are told in the Bible that only two of the original several thousand lived to see the promised land, that the others died along the 40 year trip through the desert. But if God knew, the outcome already with the Israelites demise, and the fact that God's people eventually became a repeat of what HIS favorite Israelites did? Another words, what good did it do GOD to destroy HIS favored people, if they only did it again.....And as we know, God could have seen all this from the start, but chose to destroy HIS first chosen group????

Hope it makes sense? I'm much better expaining one-on-one!

Blesisngs

Cajunboy

Cudobob:::

Gods ways and thoughts are higher than ours. God can do whatever he wants, whether we understand it or not. Who are we to question God? Who are we to think God must make sure we understand him. We are a mist, a vapor, that appears for a brief moment then disapears. Shall the pot say to the potter, why have you formed me this way? Our wisdom is foolishness to God.

Cajunboy::::Who are we to question? We are believers of God! God wants us to know and understand HIM...When we don't ior when we dont' trust HIM is when we get in trouble. And it occurs to me that much of the world doesn't know or understand the Hand of God. Or else we wouldn't be in the deplorable condition we're in right now.

[None]

1 John 5:19-20

19)We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

20)We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding,

so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true

[MeCajunboy]

God made certain of His creations to do certain things. The angels are separated into groups with roles that God gave them and He knew they would fit those roles perfectly because He MADE them to fit those roles perfectly.

He made Lucifer. Lucifer had free will. God must have made him to have this free will, yes? Lucifer chose to do evil and God kicked him out of His perfect Heaven where no sin is permitted. God's house, God's rules. Disobey God's rules and you're out. God wanted children to fellowship with and not "robots" who do what He "programmed" them to do(figure of speech, don't go all nuts), He wanted creations to choose to obey Him and fellowship with Him. But make them in Heaven as He did Lucifer, and dirty up the Heaven with those of us who chose disobedience? What about - make them on earth, a testing ground, and invite those who choose to do good and believe in Him and His ways. I believe He knew perfectly well what He was doing when He put that shiney red button in the middle of the garden of Eden. He knew perfectly well what He was doing when He said, "be fruitful and multiply" too. And He knew we would ALL choose disobedience. He knew Jesus would be the only Way, Truth and Life everlasting for us, the disobedient sinners, before He even created man in His image.

His image of free will.

I believe God is not ruled by time, as we are, and God's ways are not our ways and His thinking is FAR superior to ours.

How can any of us even begin to understand this concept?

I'm not disputing that God's thinking is far superior to ours none. What I'm referring to specifically is, "if God knows all things but allows us "Free Will" to choose, and He knew the results of His Earth being destroyed the first time after the flooding, in order to destroy all evil on earth, why then would God say, "I will never again destroy my earth for the sake of my people." Another words, why even destroy it with a flood if HE already knew knew what the repercussions would be?

[MeCajunboy]

I think that God knew how things would eventually turn out but He didn't want to just throw away His creation made in His image. He wanted all people to know just how great He really is. He promised not to do it again but just the fact that He had done it once already might have given people an idea of what else He might do if sin was ever that prevelent again. We have seemingly forgotten that in this late date in history and sin is running the earth once again. We will have to see what happens.

In agreement BackInTouch!