Naming the Name of Christ

[Fiosh]

Well it seems what it all boils down to, is>> If a person is living an immoral sex life, married, and committing unashamed adultery and is scriptually aware of the consequences, can no more call him/herself a christian in the NT definition of such and is as bad as anyone having m/f relations with those of the same sex. I think Shiloh covered all bases regarding deliberate and willful sin.

IF one does not repent, of what they know from reading their bibles, is living immoral lives, they are living according to the flesh. There is no middle ground from the way I read scripture. As Jesus Himself said, 'repent or perish' and that's good enough for me.

BTW, thank you for the birthday wishes from you guys.

You have a way of cutting to the chase, eric.

btw....

Happy Birthday to you! Happy birthday to you! Happy Birthday dear eric, Happy Birthday to you!

[Guest shiloh357]

Can you condone the homosexual lifestyle (even you yourself do not practice it) and still be a Christian. In other words, can you deny that the Bible teaches that the homosexual lifestyle is sinful, and still be a Christian?

The anwswer is NO.

Biblical Christianity has as its main attribute the glorification of God. That is what Jesus taught by example. Homosexuality does not glorify God. God says that homosexuality is an abomination to Him. It is the strongest word in English to demonstrate the utter contempt God has for that lifestyle. Therefore, for anyone claiming to be a Christian to deny what God says in His word to the point of condoning and giving full approval to homosexuality is to call God a liar and really is an act of open rebellion. It would not be farfetched to say that such a view would also be a reflect how they view the integrity of God's word in other areas. Their rebellion would manifest in other ways as well.

A true Christian is obedient and takes God at His Word. A true Christian believes what the Bible says and does not glorify, condone any sin and certainly does not encourage or inspire others to continue unabated in their sin.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. This is a very perplexing topic for me b/c I know people who are practicing h's yet show the "fruits" of the Spirit in their lives.

Any one be nice. You don't have to be a Christian to have a likable personality, good sense of humor, compassion or even love. You don't have to be Christian to volunteer at a soup kitchen or homeless shelter for battered women. You don't have to be a Christian to go to church, or to sing in the choir, or give to charity or tithe each week. You don't have to be a Christian to go to the hospital and pray for sick friends. Unfortunately those things are mistaken for the fruit of the spirit.

I have met many homosexuals who are nice people. That is completely irrelevant, though. If they do not repent of homosexuality and become true born again Christians and allow Christ to deliver them from homosexuality, they do not any part in the Kingdom of God, even if they belong to the "Christian religion."

[eric]

Thank you Fiosh for the little ditty

Well Jesus cut to the chase. Through His parables, His demonstrations and the whole of the gospels, He laid it on the line what He expects from us. He knows we can't be perfect, because we are wrapped in carnanality, but He does expect us to be up front with Him and our brothers and sisters as well.

If we say we have fellowship with Him and walk in darkness, we lie and do not the truth. 1Jn.1:6

But if we walk in the light, as He is the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus Chris, His son cleanseth us fro all sin.1JN.!:7

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us1JN 1:8

If we confess our sins,He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness. 1JN.1:9

And if we say that we have not sinned we make him a liar and His word is not in us. 1JN1:10

Now, we know there are people blatantly sitting in church aware of their disobediece to the word, and that's because the modern pastors don't want to rock the boat. Any wonder why, today, the church. established by the Lord Jesus Christ is compared to by many, with the church at Laodecia the apostasising churh. or backsliding church.

[Fiosh]

Can you condone the homosexual lifestyle (even you yourself do not practice it) and still be a Christian. In other words, can you deny that the Bible teaches that the homosexual lifestyle is sinful, and still be a Christian?

The anwswer is NO.

Biblical Christianity has as its main attribute the glorification of God. That is what Jesus taught by example. Homosexuality does not glorify God. God says that homosexuality is an abomination to Him. It is the strongest word in English to demonstrate the utter contempt God has for that lifestyle. Therefore, for anyone claiming to be a Christian to deny what God says in His word to the point of condoning and giving full approval to homosexuality is to call God a liar and really is an act of open rebellion. It would not be farfetched to say that such a view would also be a reflect how they view the integrity of God's word in other areas. Their rebellion would manifest in other ways as well.

A true Christian is obedient and takes God at His Word. A true Christian believes what the Bible says and does not glorify, condone any sin and certainly does not encourage or inspire others to continue unabated in their sin.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. This is a very perplexing topic for me b/c I know people who are practicing h's yet show the "fruits" of the Spirit in their lives.

Any one be nice. You don't have to be a Christian to have a likable personality, good sense of humor, compassion or even love. You don't have to be Christian to volunteer at a soup kitchen or homeless shelter for battered women. You don't have to be a Christian to go to church, or to sing in the choir, or give to charity or tithe each week. You don't have to be a Christian to go to the hospital and pray for sick friends. Unfortunately those things are mistaken for the fruit of the spirit.

I have met many homosexuals who are nice people. That is completely irrelevant, though. If they do not repent of homosexuality and become true born again Christians and allow Christ to deliver them from homosexuality, they do not any part in the Kingdom of God, even if they belong to the "Christian religion."

In those denoms that condone the h lifestyle, it's possible that the leadership will have just as much, if not more, to answer for than the h's themselves. Can they really call themselves Christian churches---and elect a h bishop? or marry h's ?

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"...the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control." Gal 5:22-23

We are both saints and sinners---all of us. We strive to allow the Holy Spirit to move in us and manifest His fruits, but how often do we fail?

Yes, anyone living in open rebellion to God's word cannot be filled with the Spirit. But if we are weak, or confused, or led astray........God is full of gentleness and compassion.

Peace,

Fiosh

PS. you may say many things about the RCC. But through the years the RCC has stood firm against abortion, the acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle, the ordination of women. It has held fast to an orthodox theology and the reality that Jesus is the only way to eternal salvation.

[Fiosh]

Thank you Fiosh for the little ditty

Well Jesus cut to the chase. Through His parables, His demonstrations and the whole of the gospels, He laid it on the line what He expects from us. He knows we can't be perfect, because we are wrapped in carnanality, but He does expect us to be up front with Him and our brothers and sisters as well.

If we say we have fellowship with Him and walk in darkness, we lie and do not the truth. 1Jn.1:6

But if we walk in the light, as He is the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus Chris, His son cleanseth us fro all sin.1JN.!:7

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us1JN 1:8

If we confess our sins,He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness. 1JN.1:9

And if we say that we have not sinned we make him a liar and His word is not in us. 1JN1:10

Now, we know there are people blatantly sitting in church aware of their disobediece to the word, and that's because the modern pastors don't want to rock the boat. Any wonder why, today, the church. established by the Lord Jesus Christ is compared to by many, with the church at Laodecia the apostasising churh. or backsliding church.

O believe me, my pastor has no problem with rocking the boat!

[eric]

I think I could get to like your pastor.

[Guest shiloh357]

We are both saints and sinners---all of us. We strive to allow the Holy Spirit to move in us and manifest His fruits, but how often do we fail?

1. It is a spirtual impossibility to be both a sinner AND a saint. I still sin, but I am not a "sinner." The Bible NEVER calls Christians, "sinners." Of the 20+ times the word sinner is used, it is NEVER applied to Christians anywhere in the New Testamemt. The term "sinner" 100% of the time refers to those who are unredeemed. Christians are always referred to as saints, though.

2. There is a marked difference between someone who fails in a sincere attempt to serve Christ and someone who believes that their sin is not really sin, and rejects the Bible's definition of sin. Honestly, the two cannot be compared.

Yes, anyone living in open rebellion to God's word cannot be filled with the Spirit. But if we are weak, or confused, or led astray........God is full of gentleness and compassion.

What would be, realistically speaking, the ratio of those who are TRULY confused and living a state of genuine ignorance of God's standard, vs. those who do know what God's standard is? I would wager that if a poll was taken, the homosexual community overwhelmingly knows and understands the Bible's position on homosexuality. You would really be hardpressed to find anyone who is oblivious to God's standard, particularly among homosexuals living in the US.

As far as being weak and so forth, that again falls to the lack of true Christian discipleship.

[eric]

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I'm not trying to be argumentative. This is a very perplexing topic for me b/c I know people who are practicing h's yet show the "fruits" of the Spirit in their lives

Fiosh, I don't believe you do intend to be argumentative, but the spirit that they show can't be that of the Holy Spirit As mentioned in another post,

If we say we have fellowship with Him and walk in darkness, we lie and do not the truth. 1Jn.1:6

cheers,

eric.

[sweetycakes]

We are both saints and sinners---all of us. We strive to allow the Holy Spirit to move in us and manifest His fruits, but how often do we fail?

1. It is a spirtual impossibility to be both a sinner AND a saint. I still sin, but I am not a "sinner." The Bible NEVER calls Christians, "sinners." Of the 20+ times the word sinner is used, it is NEVER applied to Christians anywhere in the New Testamemt. The term "sinner" 100% of the time refers to those who are unredeemed. Christians are always referred to as saints, though.

2. There is a marked difference between someone who fails in a sincere attempt to serve Christ and someone who believes that their sin is not really sin, and rejects the Bible's definition of sin. Honestly, the two cannot be compared.

Yes, anyone living in open rebellion to God's word cannot be filled with the Spirit. But if we are weak, or confused, or led astray........God is full of gentleness and compassion.

What would be, realistically speaking, the ratio of those who are TRULY confused and living a state of genuine ignorance of God's standard, vs. those who do know what God's standard is? I would wager that if a poll was taken, the homosexual community overwhelmingly knows and understands the Bible's position on homosexuality. You would really be hardpressed to find anyone who is oblivious to God's standard, particularly among homosexuals living in the US.

As far as being weak and so forth, that again falls to the lack of true Christian discipleship.

Bump

[Fiosh]

We are both saints and sinners---all of us. We strive to allow the Holy Spirit to move in us and manifest His fruits, but how often do we fail?

1. It is a spirtual impossibility to be both a sinner AND a saint. I still sin, but I am not a "sinner." The Bible NEVER calls Christians, "sinners." Of the 20+ times the word sinner is used, it is NEVER applied to Christians anywhere in the New Testamemt. The term "sinner" 100% of the time refers to those who are unredeemed. Christians are always referred to as saints, though.

Only have a minute. I'm at work.....

I won't argue semantics with you, Shiloh. I'm using the dictionary definition, i.e. one who sins.

I could say, "my spirit wars with my flesh"----that's my implication.

Peace,

Fiosh