Pastor Manning issues Joyce Meyer witth a petition...

[WayneB]

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Hiya all,

Just sharing what a Pastor Manning is petitioning Joyce Meyer to. This is different, he petitions Joyce Meyer live, see above, not to hold one of her annual conferences for woman but to help women's shelters instead. I don't know of Pastor Manning but perhaps some of you saints in America know of him.

Just thought it was interesting and different from the usual things I read about televangelists.

Saints, may I offer some advice?

Focus on the original issue, which is worthy of discussion.

Should a ministry redirect funds spent for conferences to benevolence activities?

Otherwise, the thread will go nowhere and end up in the scrap bin. We as a ministry are trying to focus less on individuals and/or denominations and more on the false doctrines that are taking hold and perverting the Body of Christ. We can discuss that without losing our salt.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

I think anyone that has ever so much as glanced at scripture can conclude that God does not lead nor bless the leaders of ministries with greed and materialism. Greed and materialism are sins, not blessings, not callings, they are sins. Jesus was not nailed to the cross for slick talking "evangelists" to live opulent lifestyles.

I can't help but agree with you, forrestkc.

Here's why:

The Lord has led me out of a lot of things from my past. I've learned a lot in the process. Your post got me thinking (a dangerous thing! )

I've heard Joyce Meyer, and have enjoyed her messages. The Lord always blesses His word, and He promised that it would never come back to Him void. That said, I have to admit that I don't support her ministry any longer because I find the financial excess disturbing. While Scripture doesn't condemn wealth, or enjoying the fruits of your labors, its pretty clear that we are supposed to use that wealth that God gives us to help others. Jesus said "take up the cross, deny yourself, and follow Me."

I understand the need for housing, food, utilities. I lived on the street for some time. I just have a really big problem with someone running a ministry or charity of any kind that's living so "high on the hog" as it were. A $100,000 car? Why? You can still get something reliable for $20,000 or less brand new! There are people in this world who would love to be able to afford an old rust-bucket of a car. A million-plus dollar house, 10,000 square feet? Why? Living in a decent, reasonably priced house would save an awful lot of money, and leave more for helping others. Maybe I "don't understand." I don't know, but I can't see Jesus living like that. Can't see the apostle Paul living that way, either, and look how his ministry turned out!

Sorry if I got carried away, but having been in that place where I lived "high on the hog" in the semiconductor industry and loosing everything changes the way you see things. Until all that happened I was happy with the whole "suburban" life-style thing. Then I met someone - Jesus, and He changed a lot of my ways of thinking about things.

Your right a ministry is a charity. People give to them not so they can live a lavish life style but so they can use this money to reach the lost. Yet, most of the ministries are not about reaching the lost but rather over Christian living or doctrine. If we saw a charity misusing charity money and buying themselves $100,000 cars and expensive homes we would be in a rage. Ministers, TV and non-TV, will be held accountable for how they use the money people sent them in good faith of the gospel.

I encourage you to read this thread TV Evangalism???

[traveller]

What is wealth? I think the problem comes in when the focus is shifted.

To some, I would be considered wealthy. To others, I'm a pauper. I live in a doublewide trailer, on 5 acres of land. Not some giant 10,000 sq ft house. It's a relative thing. But to a man with no house, I live in a mansion.

To the homeless guy on the street, anyone with a job, regardless of their income or standing, is well off. If you think about it, if you're online here, right now, you're considered wealthy by most of the world, because you have a computer and access. If you have a bank account your'e considered wealthy. If you have a roof over your head with running water, you're considered wealthy. See? All of us are in the same place as Meyers or any other person out there with mega money. It's a matter of degrees.

We all have the ability to give, to help, to serve. When Jesus said

Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

I figure He was speaking to ME as much as that rich man that walked away from Him. Am I willing to put it all down and follow Jesus? Where is MY heart? Where is MY focus? What do I do with the gifts He has blessed ME with?

The problem with wealth, be it great or small, is that we can get to a place where we think ourselves self-sufficient. We no longer call on Him to help us. We no longer lean on Him and walk by the faith that grew us up in Him. But I think that's true of money, or any situation that puts our eyes on ourselves instead of upon the ONE that created us.

It's a good rule to look inward first. Sometime's it applies to us all, even when we don't at first realize it.

[WayneB]

Your right a ministry is a charity. People give to them not so they can live a lavish life style but so they can use this money to reach the lost. Yet, most of the ministries are not about reaching the lost but rather over Christian living or doctrine. If we saw a charity misusing charity money and buying themselves $100,000 cars and expensive homes we would be in a rage. Ministers, TV and non-TV, will be held accountable for how they use the money people sent them in good faith of the gospel.

I agree with you brother, which is why I am very careful what ministries I support. I do not understand why so many folks support a ministry with a lavish lifestyle but that is between them, the ministry and God. Me? I am going to tithe to and support those ministries that I know have the right focus.

[Treasure]

Meyer's seminars, books and tapes are extremely popular. Several key doctrines Meyer teaches or has taught at least four of the more prominent of these:

1. God creates by using His faith through the power of spoken words.
   
2. Man is a "little god"(capable of creating in the same fashion as did God. (Emphasis mine)
   
3. Man, through faith-filled words, creates or causes to come to pass that which is spoken. Thus by one's spoken words health/healing and wealth/prosperity are created.
   
4. Jesus earned our redemption, not on the cross, but in hell.
   

The view presented in the promotion of her new tape series is not a new understanding or teaching for Meyer. In an article titled "Your Mouth is a Weapon," Meyer expressed the same idea in similar words:

"Words are containers that carry either creative or destructive power. Your mouth is a weapon

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Your right a ministry is a charity. People give to them not so they can live a lavish life style but so they can use this money to reach the lost. Yet, most of the ministries are not about reaching the lost but rather over Christian living or doctrine. If we saw a charity misusing charity money and buying themselves $100,000 cars and expensive homes we would be in a rage. Ministers, TV and non-TV, will be held accountable for how they use the money people sent them in good faith of the gospel.

I agree with you brother, which is why I am very careful what ministries I support. I do not understand why so many folks support a ministry with a lavish lifestyle but that is between them, the ministry and God. Me? I am going to tithe to and support those ministries that I know have the right focus.

Man brother you have to plant your seed in fertile soil if you expect to see godly results.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Your right a ministry is a charity. People give to them not so they can live a lavish life style but so they can use this money to reach the lost. Yet, most of the ministries are not about reaching the lost but rather over Christian living or doctrine. If we saw a charity misusing charity money and buying themselves $100,000 cars and expensive homes we would be in a rage. Ministers, TV and non-TV, will be held accountable for how they use the money people sent them in good faith of the gospel.

I agree with you brother, which is why I am very careful what ministries I support. I do not understand why so many folks support a ministry with a lavish lifestyle but that is between them, the ministry and God. Me? I am going to tithe to and support those ministries that I know have the right focus.

Aman brother you have to plant your seed in fertile soil if you expect to see godly results. Also, we are accountable of how and who we give to.

[WayneB]

Your right a ministry is a charity. People give to them not so they can live a lavish life style but so they can use this money to reach the lost. Yet, most of the ministries are not about reaching the lost but rather over Christian living or doctrine. If we saw a charity misusing charity money and buying themselves $100,000 cars and expensive homes we would be in a rage. Ministers, TV and non-TV, will be held accountable for how they use the money people sent them in good faith of the gospel.

I agree with you brother, which is why I am very careful what ministries I support. I do not understand why so many folks support a ministry with a lavish lifestyle but that is between them, the ministry and God. Me? I am going to tithe to and support those ministries that I know have the right focus.

Aman brother you have to plant your seed in fertile soil if you expect to see godly results. Also, we are accountable of how and who we give to.

EXACTLY!!!!

[WayneB]

I'm not attempting to offensive at all. My goal in posting this is to simply point out facts that everyone should be aware of.

You're not offensive; just off topic.

There are tons of threads in our archives about Joyce and other WOF folks...many of them in the scrap bin though. When we focus on the servant, we remove our focus off what is important... and that is Christ!

The WOF movement has many weaknesses. Is that the topic? If it is, focus on the issues and not the movement. There are many sincere WOF brothers and sisters who do not hold to the exact same doctrine that Joyce, Copeland, Jakes and others may hold to. Discuss the issues...issues...issues... NOT the body or individuals.

Like I told a member who is WOF recently... he was upset that we removed his thread about the SBC. We explained that we want the discussion focused on the perceived errors and not the body of believers.

[Treasure]

I'm not attempting to offensive at all. My goal in posting this is to simply point out facts that everyone should be aware of.

You're not offensive; just off topic.

There are tons of threads in our archives about Joyce and other WOF folks...many of them in the scrap bin though. When we focus on the servant, we remove our focus off what is important... and that is Christ!

The WOF movement has many weaknesses. Is that the topic? If it is, focus on the issues and not the movement. There are many sincere WOF brothers and sisters who do not hold to the exact same doctrine that Joyce, Copeland, Jakes and others may hold to. Discuss the issues...issues...issues... NOT the body or individuals.

Like I told a member who is WOF recently... he was upset that we removed his thread about the SBC. We explained that we want the discussion focused on the perceived errors and not the body of believers.

Have there not been other posts that have been somewhat "off topic"?