Where do you think the quote "Hate the sin, Love the sinner"

[Guest shiloh357]

Okay then Shiloh, your saying to "hate" someone who is not a believer is correct according to the Bible, or am I misunderstanding as usual???? Doesn't that go directly against what Jesus said?

No, what I am saying is that we hate their conduct to the point that we do not associate with them, or accept them as friends because they actively seek enmity with God. This is passage is not talking about your garden variety sinner. It is talking about the absolute wicked who actively hate God, who actively promote hatred of God, who have consciously set themselves as sworn enemies of God and everything he stands for.

Paul used to put Christians to death, an extreme form of active hate, and God still loved him.

Yes, that is true.

[Iryssa]

"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Rom. 5:8

[Axxman]

It is not my personal desire to "hate" anyone. However...It is also not my desire to seperate the sinner from his accountability for his sin. Sin and sinners are not separate, and nowhere in the bible is this so. Sin is not some entity in and of itself. To separate a person from his sins is the chief goal of the gospel.

"Sin is not an accountable thing. The sinner is accountable for the sin. The only way to destroy the sin is through the sinner." -- E.M. Bounds

However, I digress.

[Scarletprayers]

Axx, I love ya man but..........................

[KeilanS]

It is not my personal desire to "hate" anyone. However...It is also not my desire to seperate the sinner from his accountability for his sin. Sin and sinners are not separate, and nowhere in the bible is this so. Sin is not some entity in and of itself. To separate a person from his sins is the chief goal of the gospel.

"Sin is not an accountable thing. The sinner is accountable for the sin. The only way to destroy the sin is through the sinner." -- E.M. Bounds

However, I digress.

I have the feeling that my disagreement here is more a result of misunderstanding than anything. I believe that everyone is accountable for their sins, which is why we deserve death and Jesus saved us from that punishment. However, I don't believe that needs to stop us from loving them. If we didn't love anyone who sinned, we would live a lonely life because we couldn't love anyone!

Basically what I mean when I say "Hate the sin, Love the sinner", is that although each person is responsible for their own sin, and we are to hate sin, it still shouldn't stop us from sharing Christ's love with that person.

[larryt]

"Love thy neighbor as thyself..."

"Love one another..."

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you..."

I've never read in the Bible God telling us there are people we should hate, wickedness, yes, people, no.

Ps 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

Ps 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

King David, the type of the King of Kings, had no difficulty in Hating the enemies of God. Try reading some of the imprecatory Psalms.

LT

Jesus trumps David..............I'll go with him!

It is not a matter of one tramping the other. David was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. What he said is as much from the mouth of God as that which the Lord Jesus said.

shiloh mentioned A. Barnes who also said this in regard to the above verse.

Ver. 21. And am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? The expression here

[None]

Axx, I love ya man but..........................

You beat me to it.

(teasing)

<runs>

[Guest shiloh357]

It is not my personal desire to "hate" anyone. However...It is also not my desire to seperate the sinner from his accountability for his sin. Sin and sinners are not separate, and nowhere in the bible is this so. Sin is not some entity in and of itself. To separate a person from his sins is the chief goal of the gospel.

"Sin is not an accountable thing. The sinner is accountable for the sin. The only way to destroy the sin is through the sinner." -- E.M. Bounds

However, I digress.

Which shows that you are not really grasping the concept of loving the sinner but hating their sin. It is not a matter of separateing them from sin or denying their accountability, but rather about being a testimony of God's love to the sinner.

You will come much closer to being able to reach a sinner when you are kind, compassionate and loving towards them than if you are emotionally and morally indifferent to them. When you demonstrate the love of Christ in their time of need, earn their trust and you earn the right to share Christ with them. By doing so, you are not diminishing their sin or denying their accountability before God.

[Scarletprayers]

"Love thy neighbor as thyself..."

"Love one another..."

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you..."

I've never read in the Bible God telling us there are people we should hate, wickedness, yes, people, no.

Ps 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

Ps 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

King David, the type of the King of Kings, had no difficulty in Hating the enemies of God. Try reading some of the imprecatory Psalms.

LT

Jesus trumps David..............I'll go with him!

It is not a matter of one tramping the other. David was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. What he said is as much from the mouth of God as that which the Lord Jesus said.

shiloh mentioned A. Barnes who also said this in regard to the above verse.

Ver. 21. And am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? The expression here

[Vickilynn]

It is not my personal desire to "hate" anyone. However...It is also not my desire to seperate the sinner from his accountability for his sin. Sin and sinners are not separate, and nowhere in the bible is this so. Sin is not some entity in and of itself. To separate a person from his sins is the chief goal of the gospel.

However, I digress.

Shalom Axx,

No, you're right on topic.

I understand that quote to say that we can HATE what they do. We can be disgusted, repulsed and hate their actions, their sin. However, we are to go PAST their sin and our hate for the sinful actions and actually LOVE the person doing the sinning. It's not about accountability, it's about loving them enough to not hate THEM because we hate their actions which are sin. Understand?

If we hated the person sinning, we would never witness to sinners. Or help restore the brother struggling with sin.

No, we need to love that person, just as Jesus loved the sinners. We must love the person enough to show them Jesus' love, share the Gospel, share G-d's Word, IN SPITE of their sin and in spite of us hating their sin. That's what it says to me. And that is a Biblical concept.