12th Book ~Glorious Appearing~

[Guest LCPGUY]

Well I dont know about that John, but I've always said that it is better to be prepared for the tribulation and be surprised by the rapture than be prepared for the rapture and be surprised by the tribulation. I was pre trib not long ago, I must admit, but after a lot of serious study and listening to what some of my brothers and sisters were saying on this board plus the most important influence of all, the Holy Spirit, I realised I was being deceived and pretrib was not an option, well not as far as I am concerned.

Anyway thanks for your input John and you go and have a great in the Lord.

eric

Eric,

thank you for your reply. I too did much, much study on the subject. I prayed fervently about it. I read and re-read the scriptures. I read the books authored by some of the most fervent post-tribbers. And yes, the Holy Spirit sopke to my heart. That is why I am a firm believer in the pre-trib rapture.

Gosh, guess we'll just have to agree to dis-agree.

However, this is NOT an issue to divide over. When we get up there before the tribulati

[eric]

You're right about that John, It doesn't matter when we get there, as long as we do get there. I've long given up on speculating about times of anything.

Cheers.

eric.

[Guest LCPGUY]

Eric,

you want to reconsider the above statement. Jesus commanded us to look and watch for the signs He gave regarding the last days. To be ready.

Remember, the reason that the Temple was destroyed and the Jews were scattered into other nations was that they "failed" to know the time of His first coming. The scriptures were all there, the signs were there, but the people refused to see/accept them.

Just another of my 2

[eric]

Oh I agree John, The signs are most definitely there and I am Ready. Maybe the first century Jews wern't ready but I am. Now I dont want to be a hero or a martyr, but there are going to be a lot of confused young christians during the trib period, including my own kin, and I would like to be around to encourage and minister to them that they endure to the end Like Jesus said. Those who endure to the end shall be saved.

in Christ.

eric.

[papasangel]

Eric

Before I reply to your obviouse caustic posting about the series I prayed about it. I cannot see why you are so negative. I already stated that it is a work of fiction but it is done tastefully and in fact has led many of us to do "research" using our bibles. How is this a bad thing if it gets you courious enough to want to know the truth? Sure bugging the AC plane etc are fictional but it does add to the intensity of the story. I enjoy the series very much and so do most of the people who read the series. We all are of sound enough mind to know fact from fiction.

Which leads me to believe that you are either a frustrated author yourself or that you would begrudge someone who is a good author the rewards of his work. Either way your pettyness is showing. You need to relax and enjoy life more because if you view life this way you are really pretty sad as a human being. I will keep you in my prayers.

[eric]

Hey Pangel, Chill out here, you are not reading my posts properly. I am not an author, or am I frustrated and I'm totally relaxed and if you enjoyed your life as much as I enjoy mine then you would not have to read a whole of fiction to give you a buzz. I never criticised anyone who reads LaHaye's books, I merely stated that I wouldn't read them and if I think they are a load of tripe, then I have every right to voice my opinon I was talked into viewing one of his vidoe tapes of his left behind series and I was not impressed. I dont care personally whether you read LaHaye or Mickey Mouse and I haven't suggested anywhere what you should or should not read. And I dont make caustic remarks as you suggest. I speak openly and honestly and It is my opinion that the left behind series are leading some people into a false deception. You can attack my opinions if you want but please dont attack me.

I am now withdrawing fron any further discussion on this issue.

[Guest LCPGUY]

I am now withdrawing fron any further discussion on this issue.

I hope you don't mean that Eric. Even though you and i disagree on this particular topic, I encourage to stay. You ARE entitled to your opinion, just like we all are.

Please stay!

Brother John

[eric]

Thanks John, but no thanks. The topic is going nowhere. Now I dont mond my opions and beliefs being opposed but when I am being attacked personally it's a different ball game I do not like people telling me I'm frustrated, petty and a sad individual, and when the accuser has been around the block as often as I have and clocked up the mileage I have, he/she might pay a little more attention to what God wrote. And hey, God did for free.

Thanks again John for your post but I'll catch up with you on another thread. BTW I saw your prayer request on the board and I hope things are panning out for you now.

cya.

eric

[other one]

Now if LaHaye is right and there is a rapture and all the saints will be taken before the trib and those that miss the rapture will have a second chance,there is no harm done. But what happens if there is no pre-trib rapture and all those who believe LaHaye find themselves floundering around in the tribulation. Dont you think that they will feel deceived and fall away from their faith? Because I do.

If there is not a pre-trib rapture you and I will be here to help those people not loose their faith. I am more concerned with your other problem of people coming to Christ as a fire insuriance policy. I don't think it works that way either, but I have more problems with "hell fire and brimstone" preachers than Lahey's books even though they are not scriptural (to me anyway).

I do like to read your opinions. They make me think and consider my own thoughts. I really don't undestand the personal attack. Must have touched on a problem somewhere neither of us know about. At least my experience over the years lead me to think that way.

Keep up the posts, for in reality, we have eternity to talk about these things. Maybe we'll see each other on the way up whenever it happens........

[Guest LCPGUY]

Thanks John, but no thanks. The topic is going nowhere. Now I dont mond my opions and beliefs being opposed but when I am being attacked personally it's a different ball game I do not like people telling me I'm frustrated, petty and a sad individual, and when the accuser has been around the block as often as I have and clocked up the mileage I have, he/she might pay a little more attention to what God wrote. And hey, God did for free.

My dear brother Eric...

you are certainly free to do as you wish, BUT, maybe, just maybe the person who attacked you was just having a bad day? Maybe? :x:

In any event, FORGIVE, FORGET, and above all LOVE. :il:

I sincerely hope this doesn't offend you brother!

I, for one, appreciate you........:hug:

In Him,

John