Catholicism Examined

[serotta]

As far as Joseph's character, he was no prude and would have known the possible results that would resulted from the temptation had he have not had sexual relations with Mary. Please quit trying to read things into the Bible that are simply not there.

Ronald, could you give me a reference or this statement? I am not at all sure that I understand what you are trying to insinuate, and I don't want to jump to any conlusions. But to put this into context: Your wife has just given birth to the Son of God, and you are raising Him. Would that not change how you look at your wife? Do you or anyone have a historical reference that shows that Mary had other children? Thanks.

Scott

[RGR]

As far as Joseph's character, he was no prude and would have known the possible results that would resulted from the temptation had he have not had sexual relations with Mary. Please quit trying to read things into the Bible that are simply not there.

Ronald, could you give me a reference or this statement? I am not at all sure that I understand what you are trying to insinuate, and I don't want to jump to any conlusions. But to put this into context: Your wife has just given birth to the Son of God, and you are raising Him. Would that not change how you look at your wife? Do you or anyone have a historical reference that shows that Mary had other children? Thanks.

Scott

The "reference," should you choose to read it apart from what some priest tells you to think about it, is the Holy Bible!

And why doesn't the Bible SPECIFICALLY state that Mary remained a virgin? It doesn't, but yet you keep touting it like it is a true blue fact. And, if indeed Mary was immaculetely conceived, shouldn't her mother have been conceived as such and so down the line?

[nicholas]

Ronald your defense is as ridiculous as saying "well since Jesus was God does that mean that Mary was God and that her parents were God and so on?" Remember we are dealing with this guy called God, not a guy called Ronald. He can do many things that you may not understand, and he is not contained by your simplistic thought. He does as he wishes.

King David couldn't control his lusts... Maybe it ran in the family...

So what about Jesus did he contract this? How silly. We are speaking of the Mother of God and his stepfather.

[Guest shadow2b]

-God-man, forgive me for sounding so cynical, but unfortunately that's a reflection of the nasty, know-it-all attitudes that I've seen at this forum. It's the meanest "christian" forum I've ever visited to be quite honest with you. That's why I don't come here much anymore. It seems to be more a place for people of like minds to meet and pat each other on the back and reassure each other that they're right and anyone who disagrees is wrong, and going to hell. For a friendly, interesting, and theologically open-minded discussion I end up going to other forums. But, once in a while I drop in, like today, just to see if anything has changed. I guess not. LOL

-YEAH charles some things HAVE changed---one of which is-I git REALLY TICKED

-OFF RIGHT QUICK AT arrogant--put-down-artists-quasi-religious-proselytizers-for

-other cheechalker boards of uncertain origin for know-it-all-twits-dingbats-

-mo-rons--id-jits-& most especially designed for those named charles--charlie-

-charley-whose mental capabilities border on the ab-surd--ri-diculous--& are

-subliminaly-RE-tarded-unbeknownst to themselves--SO chaales-ole chippy--the

-following is most especially for you-ENJOY--I know I will-enjoy it----- immensley-

-ohhh buoy did "THAT"feel sooooo good & I feel sooooo much betterYou'rte right kev--humor does help

[RGR]

-God-man, forgive me for sounding so cynical, but unfortunately that's a reflection of the nasty, know-it-all attitudes that I've seen at this forum. It's the meanest "christian" forum I've ever visited to be quite honest with you. That's why I don't come here much anymore. It seems to be more a place for people of like minds to meet and pat each other on the back and reassure each other that they're right and anyone who disagrees is wrong, and going to hell. For a friendly, interesting, and theologically open-minded discussion I end up going to other forums. But, once in a while I drop in, like today, just to see if anything has changed. I guess not. LOL

-YEAH charles some things HAVE changed---one of which is-I git REALLY TICKED

-OFF RIGHT QUICK AT arrogant--put-down-artists-quasi-religious-proselytizers-for

-other cheechalker boards of uncertain origin for know-it-all-twits-dingbats-

-mo-rons--id-jits-& most especially designed for those named charles--charlie-

-charley-whose mental capabilities border on the ab-surd--ri-diculous--& are

-subliminaly-RE-tarded-unbeknownst to themselves--SO chaales-ole chippy--the

-following is most especially for you-ENJOY--I know I will-enjoy it----- immensley-

-ohhh buoy did "THAT"feel sooooo good & I feel sooooo much betterYou'rte right kev--humor does help

And, might we add a bit of after-dessert music?

[serotta]

As far as Joseph's character, he was no prude and would have known the possible results that would resulted from the temptation had he have not had sexual relations with Mary. Please quit trying to read things into the Bible that are simply not there.

Ronald, could you give me a reference or this statement? I am not at all sure that I understand what you are trying to insinuate, and I don't want to jump to any conlusions. But to put this into context: Your wife has just given birth to the Son of God, and you are raising Him. Would that not change how you look at your wife? Do you or anyone have a historical reference that shows that Mary had other children? Thanks.

Scott

The "reference," should you choose to read it apart from what some priest tells you to think about it, is the Holy Bible!

And why doesn't the Bible SPECIFICALLY state that Mary remained a virgin? It doesn't, but yet you keep touting it like it is a true blue fact. And, if indeed Mary was immaculetely conceived, shouldn't her mother have been conceived as such and so down the line?

Ronald, your condescending tone is offensive. I'm trying to discuss this nicely, so why are you being so combative? And why do you have such an irrational fear of Catholicism? I am not currently a practicing Catholic, so much of what you ascribe to me is not valid, but at least I try to understand their faith as well as yours. Could you be a little bit more specific than "the Bible"? Do you have a verse that says specifically that Mary and Joseph had children together? My point was that I have not seen anything in scripture one way or the other, so I don't see how any of us can state that their opinion is fact.

[salt and light]

I just thought I would put in my two cents. First of all, I have many catholic friends,and I've studied Roman Catholicism for a couple of years,and I know for a fact,that the Roman Catholic SYSTEM is a false religious system. I've gently tried to tell my catholic friends without offending them,but of course they were offended,but they still speak to me,and I get along with them at work. My one boss is a catholic. Anyway, "transubstantiation" in the eucharist, "purgatory", praying to Mary and to dead saints,and Mary being a co-mediator between us and Christ etc. is NOT in the word of God. Infant baptism {sprinkling} is not scriptual either, and calling some priest "father" is a big no no as Jesus said in Matt. 23:9. Roman Catholicism is another gospel. Their Jesus only paid for original sin,and is not the Jesus Christ of the bible. They deny the finished work of a Lord and Saviour on the cross. The pope may be the head of his "Church",but not the head of the true Church in which Jesus Christ is the head {Col.1:18}. I'm not saying that all catholics are going to hell,but any catholic who is relying on Mary to help get them to heaven,or purgatory,or good works,or sprinkling and so on, will not make it to heaven. Being born again is the only requirement for heaven,and the catholics need to realize that being born again means to have a personal relationship with God through and ONLY through the Lord Jesus Christ.

[nicholas]

Well, your two cents was worth about zero sense.

[Guest shadow2b]

-Well, your two cents was worth about zero sense.

-OH I DUNNO--HIS 2CENTS WAS WORTH A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN JERYKS---MO-

-RONS--DING-BATS--INSIPID-IDIOSYNCRATIC-NIN-COM-POOPS-that can't READ

-the BIBLE--BUT CAN read a bunch of man-made-FALSE-DOCTRINES--HERETICAL

-STATEMENTS THAT REQUIRE THEIR OBEDIENT SUBJECTS TO PAY FOR THEIR

-LOVED DEAD-RE-LATIVES OUT OF A NON-EXISTANT PURGATORY-{these were

-called INDULGENCES by the PRIESTS}{BRIBES IN COMMON LANGUAGE}--WHO

-STOOD OVER THE GRAVES OF THE -LONG-DEPARTED ONES WITH EXTENDED

-HAND FOR THE GETTU$-BEFORE THEY -WOULD PRAY FOR THE LONG OR NEWLY

-DEPARTED FAITHFUL ONES--TRUE OR UN-TRUE??-ESTABLISHED--DOCUMENTED

-HISTORICAL- FACTS--hmmmmm??

[refugepsa91]

Ronald, your condescending tone is offensive. I'm trying to discuss this nicely, so why are you being so combative? And why do you have such an irrational fear of Catholicism? I am not currently a practicing Catholic, so much of what you ascribe to me is not valid, but at least I try to understand their faith as well as yours. Could you be a little bit more specific than "the Bible"? Do you have a verse that says specifically that Mary and Joseph had children together? My point was that I have not seen anything in scripture one way or the other, so I don't see how any of us can state that their opinion is fact.

We have to be careful when accusing someone of being offensive here...remember we are typing out our thoughts and cannot hear a "Condescending tone" K? :il:

I am still looking for a verse that specifically says Mary and Joseph had children..but I did find this...so I'm sure she did not remain a virgin.

Matthew 1:22-25

So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife, AND DID NOT KNOW HER TILL SHE HAD BROUGHT FORTH HER FIRSTBORN SON. And he called His name Jesus.

Now also the reference firstborn Son...tends to lead me to believe that she did have more children. But I won't assume anything without more looking.

Love and Blessings,

Angel