Is Salvation Predestined??

[AllforJesustheLord]

sometimes they will be saved later, if that is true, then God may have us witness to them, in that case even though they may be disobedient to God, and His Christ, but you are not throwing your pearls to swine, because God is having mercy upon them so they may be saved, and may be predestinated in Christ, by believing in Him, for whoever believes, will not be ashamed, and they are predestinated to be saved, yet not all will be saved, until after they are dead, remember Christ is the God of the dead, and the living, that means some people in Christ do not follow Him, they are the dead in Christ, and the living in Christ are those who call on Him out of a pure heart, they have works meet for repentance.

[AllforJesustheLord]

This which I am speaking of is talking about eternal Judgement, and the understanding of predestination, how each is connected, and is together.

[Shelby]

I hear what you are saying AllforJesustheLord. BUT, It doesn't fit to me. I can respect that you have studied and felt led to this conclusion, but I feel there are things in your statements that don't fit with who I perceive God to be, or scripture as I have read it over and over. I have been waiting and thinking of how to say what I know and have studied, but it has already been stated, so I say this.

The God I love, serve, and know, has called me, he longs for a relationship with me, and it took me longer that I want to admit to realize that, and when I finally let him in he made a miracle of my life. Like scriptures say, "I stand at the door and knock....." The choice is up to you to answer it. I did, and am glad that He has allowed me that freedom to choose him and to serve him the rest of my life. I know that I will spend eternity with Him because I choose to serve Him all the days of my life.

I had a choice, God gave it to me. That doesn't mean God didn't know what I would choose, because he is the past, present, and future, time is of no essence. So he knew who I was already and who I would become when he breathed the Heavens into exixtence and he knew I would choose Him today. How Awesome is Our God!

Edited May 14, 2004 by Shelby

[His son]

I hear what you are saying AllforJesustheLord. BUT, It doesn't fit to me. I can respect that you have studied and felt led to this conclusion, but I feel there are things in your statements that don't fit with who I perceive God to be, or scripture as I have read it over and over. I have been waiting and thinking of how to say what I know and have studied, but it has already been stated, so I say this.

The God I love, serve, and know, has called me, he longs for a relationship with me, and it took me longer that I want to admit to realize that, and when I finally let him in he made a miracle of my life. Like scriptures say, "I stand at the door and knock....." The choice is up to you to answer it. I did, and am glad that He has allowed me that freedom to choose him and to serve him the rest of my life. I know that I will spend eternity with Him because I choose to serve Him all the days of my life.

I had a choice, God gave it to me. That doesn't mean God didn't know what I would choose, because he is the past, present, and future, time is of no essence. So he knew who I was already and who I would become when he breathed the Heavens into exixtence and he knew I would choose Him today. How Awesome is Our God!

And by that same foreknowledge that you would repent, and turn He knows every freewill choice that you will make to stay on that narrow path that will take you into His eternal kingdom, and has therefore predestined your residence for that eternity.

Sad to say there are some who have made the freewill choice to believe a lie, and are unkowingly walking on that broad way that leads to the pit walking in a false sense of security.

[kittyjo]

I thought these articles from the Bakers Evangelical Dictionary, via crosswalk.com might be of interest:

Foreknowledge

http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Dictionaries/B...cgi?number=T271

Predestination

http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Dictionaries/B...cgi?number=T565

Edited May 17, 2004 by kittyjo

[AllforJesustheLord]

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