How many of us are guilty of Blasphemy?

[MeCajunboy]

What, then, is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? We need to have a clear understanding of what this sin of blasphemy against the Spirit is, and we must make sure than we do not fall into this sin.

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[Guest gospelofgod]

I would like to explain the gospel of the water and Spirit and also I would like to explain what John meant by saying that Jesus came through the water, blood and Spirit. (2 John 5,8- "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water and blood, and these three agree in one.)

To understand this properly we need to first go back to the Old Testament. In the Old Testament God gave Israel the sacrificial system. When any of the people of Israel had committed sin, he had to bring a sacrificial animal to the Tebarnacle. He then passed his sins to it by LAYING HIS HANDS on its head , drew it's blood and handed it over to priest. This was the sins offering of the sacrificial system. The Israelites received the remission of sin by offering such a sacrifice. To receive the remission they had to confess their sins to God put their hands on the head of the sacrificial animals and pass their sins to them. Only then could the sins be passed onto the head of the sacrificial animals. So it was by lying their hands on an unblemished sheep or goat that the people of the Old Testament could pass on their sins .This is the method of salvation established by God. ( Leviticus 1,1-4; 4,20 ) . Leviticus : 1, 2: "Speak unto the children of Israel , and say unto them , If any men of you bring an offering unto the Lord , ye shall bring your offering of the cattle , even of the herd, and of the flock. If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd , let him offer a male without blemish : he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tebarnacle of the congregation before the Lord. AND HE SHALL PUT HIS HAND UPON THE HEAD OF THE BURNT OFFERING and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him. And he shall kill the bullock before the Lord and the priest s, Aaron's sons , shall bring the blood and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar ."

But because God knew that the people of the Israel will sin everyday, knowing our human weaknesses , God permitted the Israelites to offer just one sacrifice in a year. God appointed Aaron (and only his descendants) as a High Priest. The High Priest sacrificed once a year , on the tenth day of the seventh month , to blot out the yearly sins of the people of Israel. This is the sacrifice of the Day of Atonement . On this day , on behalf of all people, the HIgh Priest passed their yearly sins onto a sacrificial animal by laying his hands on it;s head. Redemption is fulfilled when one's sins are passed onto a sacrifice. Then the Aaron drew it's blood , took it's blood into the Most Holy , sprinkled it on the mercy seat above the Ark and burnt it's flesh.

The entire sacrificial system of the Old Testament is a shadow of the gospel of the water and Spirit that the Lord has given in the New Testament. Jesus the same like the sacrificial offering in the Old Testament was : "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world".

How was the sin of the wolrd passes onto Jesus then , who passed the sin of the world onto Jesus and how did he died for these sins ?

The first thing Jesus did in his ministry was to be baptised by John the Baptist. John the Baptist was a descendant of Aaron the High Priest ( Luke 1,5- " There was in the days of Herod , the king of Judea , a certain priest named Zacharias of the course of Abia and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron and her name was Elizabeth "- They were the parents of John the Baptist , both descendants of Aaron ). And we know, that only the descendants of Aaron could pass the sins onto the sacrifices. John the Baptist was send by God to pass the sins of the world onto Jesus Christ, Malachi 2,1: " Behold, I will send my messanger and he shall prepare the way before me ". John the Baptist was send by God to pass the sin of the world to Jesus , HE PUT HIS HAND UPON THE HEAD OF JESUS AND HE PASSED ONTO HIM ALL THE SIN OF THE WORLD, JESUS TOOK ALL THE SIN OF THE WORLD THROUGH HIS BAPTISM IN THE JORDAN RIVER , THE NEXT DAY JOHN THE BAPTIST TESTIFIED : "THE LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD". The water in the Bible refers to :THE BAPTISM OF JESUS . Before Jesus was baptised, he said to John the Baptist, Matthew 3,15 : "PERMIT TO BE SO NOW FOR THUS IS BECOMETH US TO FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS". Jesus Christ , the lamb of God fulfilled all righteousness through the Baptism he received from JOhn the Bpatist.

JESUS IS GOD --- SPIRIT

HE WAS SENT TO THE EARTH TO TAKE THE SINS OF THE WORLD THROUGH HIS BAPTISM ---WATER

HE WAS JUDGED FOR THE SIN OF THE WORLD ON THE CROSS( "The wages of sin is death" ) ---BLOOD

To receive the remission of sins , you just need to pass the sins of your heart to Jesus by faith, you need to believe that Jesus was baptised to take away your sins, you need to cut off your sins from your heart and pass them onto Jesus through His baptism, that is spiritual circumcision - "SPIRITUAL CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART " ,spiritual circumcision means cut off the sin from your heart through strong faith in Jesus Baptism in the Jordan River, Jesus was Baptised to take away all your sins through the laying of the hand , John the Baptist laid his hands on Jesus head to pass onto Him the sin of the world , and because he had all our sins on Himself He had to be judged for them on the Cross with His precious blood.

The Water - Jesus was baptist to take the sin of the world , the Blood - He was judged for them on the Cross. THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH , because Jesus accepted the sins , which John the Baptist passed onto HIm , He had to be judged for them on the Cross.

When you pass your sins onto Jesus you become righteouss, the saint of God, you have no sin and Holy Spirit comes to dwell in your heart. Holy Spirit can't dwell in the heart of those who have sin, God can't live in human being who have not been forgiven for the his sin.How can you imagine God living in sin ? That is just impossible. You must be forgiven for your sins before the Holy Spirit can come to dwell in your heart , only the saints of God have the Holy Spirit living in them . Only! That is why Peter said in Acts 2,38: "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" . Repentance is turning away from the sin, passing the sin onto Jesus through His baptism, believing that He was baptised to take the sin of the world and believing that He died on the Cross for your sins and was resurrected to heaven on the third day.

I have been saved by the gospel of the water and Spirit. I have been born again through Jesus Baptism . Jesus said : "Verily, verily I say unto thee , Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit , he cannot enter the kingdom of God" . Water here refers to Jesus Baptism, Spirit means that Jesus is God . If we believe that Jesus, the Son of God took all the sin of the world through His baptism , that He was judged for them on the Corss and resurrecetd to heaven we will be born again as the children of God. Only the born again of water and Spirit will enter the Kingdom of God.

Unfortunately some people don't believe in water, blood and Spirit and one day when Jesus will come to judge the world they will say to Him : "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name ? and in thy name have cast out devils ? and in thy name done many wonderful works ? " But The Lord will say to them : "I never knew you , depart from me , ye that work iniquity" ( Matthew 7,22-23 ).

But I don't need to be worry about things like that anymore , I have been born again ,Im a saint of God, I have no sin like my Saviour Jesus Christ and my Father in Heaven is preparing the place for me ! Amen !

Lord bless all the saints !

Edited September 23, 2007 by gospelofgod

[Eliyahuw]

What, then, is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? We need to have a clear understanding of what this sin of blasphemy against the Spirit is, and we must make sure than we do not fall into this sin.

Jesus our Savior is the Son of God. This Jesus came to this earth incarnated in the flesh of man and has saved all sinners perfectly from all their sins and destruction, but we have a choice as to believe in Him as our Savior or to reject Him. It is possible for some to say,

[Eliyahuw]

Blasphemy of the HS is the sin of dying in ones unbelief. up til the point you die, you haven't comitted blasphemy of the hs

That doesn't make sense. According to your definition, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the sin of dying in ones unbelief. What about the person in the middle of affrica who lives and dies and never hears of, therefore never believes in, Jesus? Do they go to hell? Is that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

yes they do if they die in unbelief. Doesn't matter if they never heard. They have nature, the trees, sky, sun, moon, stars to testify christ to them.

i don't remember where it is in the bible but it says that nature and the earth witness christ. so there is no excuse for not hearing.

these individuals know there is a God, we see them worshipping gods. So just by that very fact alone gives them no excuse.

Remember man is created by God, so inside he knows he is there.

God has put within people a basic awareness of Himself and of the requirement to do right (Romans 1:19,32; 2:15).

God has revealed Himself (as eternal, as all-powerful, as good, etc.) to all by means of the created world (Romans 1:20).

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

If an isolated person responded to God

[Eliyahuw]

Blasphemy of the HS is the sin of dying in ones unbelief. up til the point you die, you haven't comitted blasphemy of the hs

That doesn't make sense. According to your definition, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the sin of dying in ones unbelief. What about the person in the middle of affrica who lives and dies and never hears of, therefore never believes in, Jesus? Do they go to hell? Is that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

yes they do if they die in unbelief. Doesn't matter if they never heard. They have nature, the trees, sky, sun, moon, stars to testify christ to them.

i don't remember where it is in the bible but it says that nature and the earth witness christ. so there is no excuse for not hearing.

these individuals know there is a God, we see them worshipping gods. So just by that very fact alone gives them no excuse.

Remember man is created by God, so inside he knows he is there.

God has put within people a basic awareness of Himself and of the requirement to do right (Romans 1:19,32; 2:15).

God has revealed Himself (as eternal, as all-powerful, as good, etc.) to all by means of the created world (Romans 1:20).

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

If an isolated person responded to God

[Eliyahuw]

That's ridiculous. There has never been a documented account of a rock crying out Jesus' name, nor any other part of nature, and yet thousands die every day without hearing of Him. You cant just sit back and say "oh its ok, if they want to find God, he'll make sure they do". How American.

Christ also said that if you have enough faith, the size of a grain of mustard seed that you can say to the mountain move over and cast yourself into the ocean. how many documented cases have you seen? do you believe Christ?

If all of us are "born in sin" then your theory about children is already crumbled. If child can say the word "no" by the time he or she is able to speak, and can already tell the difference between right and wrong (or what "no" and "yes" mean) then they're on their own.

Were born with a sin nature,but a child cannot account for their sin. they have not the understanding of sin or its consequences. so their under protection.

I dont think God designed the world to give everyone a chance. Not everyone even believes God designed the world.

is that his fault? nope. He offered them salvation. they chose not to seek it out.

And im POSITIVE not everyone thinks about it like that. If there is a small tribe in africa or some islands that have never thought about diety, then what? They're dead? Too bad? They're sent to hell?

Once again, this thinking goes against the very nature of God.

No it doesn't. he is a just God. Justice demands fulfillment of the law. unless you have an advocate like christ, your on your own and you will lose.

[OneLight]

What, then, is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? We need to have a clear understanding of what this sin of blasphemy against the Spirit is, and we must make sure than we do not fall into this sin.

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[None]

Remember that Jesus' main following were the ones who were the most looked down on by self-righteous people in religious groups around Him. Jesus said to "go ye into ALL the world" and "ye are the LIGHT of the world", how can our light be effective if we're in an already lit room? What good are we to God only surrounding ourselves with believers? People living in darkness will stay in that darkness if they've never seen the light and how good the light is. "Another set of friends" is taking God's name in vain? How about instead of "another set of friends" we have in our lives, we consider them human beings God has placed us around to be a witness to.

You missed my point, none. I dont mean that another set of friends is taking God's name in vain. In my example i stated that they act differently around another set of friends, whoever that might be. My point being that their actions speak louder than their words. I agree we should not only surround ourselves with believers, but witness to the nations. What im saying is that if a christian is to claim he is a christian, and speak the Word of God as truth, then he or she should act that way around everyone, including non-believers. If they give in to temptation and act as if they werent a christian, what kind of witness would they be then?

I think if a christian acts like a good christain at church, and then curses and drinks and looks at porn and condones other sins outside of church, THAT is taking the Lord's name in vain.

What about the sin of pride? Some sins are stereotypical(what the world views as sins, like cuss words or, more accurately, improper English) and prideful people in the churches are quick to point out any and every slip-up of the people around them to avert the attention off of themselves and their own sins(like their pridefulness). The fact of the matter is, we are all sinners who fail to meet the standards God wants us to meet, hence, God's grace. So how can our failures be "taking His name in vain"?

I understand your point about doing our best, in the church people's eyes and in our personal lives, you're right, we should.

That's not the definition of taking God's name in vain.

Taking God's name in vain is SPEAKING about Him in a nonchalant way. Example: telling a joke and using Him as one of the characters. God should never be spoken about in any way other than respected.

[patricia1]

Remember that Jesus' main following were the ones who were the most looked down on by self-righteous people in religious groups around Him. Jesus said to "go ye into ALL the world" and "ye are the LIGHT of the world", how can our light be effective if we're in an already lit room? What good are we to God only surrounding ourselves with believers? People living in darkness will stay in that darkness if they've never seen the light and how good the light is. "Another set of friends" is taking God's name in vain? How about instead of "another set of friends" we have in our lives, we consider them human beings God has placed us around to be a witness to.

You missed my point, none. I dont mean that another set of friends is taking God's name in vain. In my example i stated that they act differently around another set of friends, whoever that might be. My point being that their actions speak louder than their words. I agree we should not only surround ourselves with believers, but witness to the nations. What im saying is that if a christian is to claim he is a christian, and speak the Word of God as truth, then he or she should act that way around everyone, including non-believers. If they give in to temptation and act as if they werent a christian, what kind of witness would they be then?

I think if a christian acts like a good christain at church, and then curses and drinks and looks at porn and condones other sins outside of church, THAT is taking the Lord's name in vain.

What about the sin of pride? Some sins are stereotypical(what the world views as sins, like cuss words or, more accurately, improper English) and prideful people in the churches are quick to point out any and every slip-up of the people around them to avert the attention off of themselves and their own sins(like their pridefulness). The fact of the matter is, we are all sinners who fail to meet the standards God wants us to meet, hence, God's grace. So how can our failures be "taking His name in vain"?

I understand your point about doing our best, in the church people's eyes and in our personal lives, you're right, we should.

That's not the definition of taking God's name in vain.

Taking God's name in vain is SPEAKING about Him in a nonchalant way. Example: telling a joke and using Him as one of the characters. God should never be spoken about in any way other than respected.

whoa..This thread went by me too fast.

None I am sorry for not getting back here sooner. One needs to ask Jesus for discernment, discerning of Spirits, otherwise we will need to investigate each healing and miracle. And yes I do know ministries that do not take this lightly. If someone claims healing they need to prove it. Before and after illness, preferring a doctors note but xrays are used as well. I was in Missouri and a woman in a wheelchair had M.S. Urine bag atttached and all. She claimed God touched her in the service. No one even layed hands on her. She came from another state... well by that afternoon we had her doctor on the phone who confirmed diagnosis.. and she was driven to a nearby hospital and tested..we had to wait for an answer which took time...but She had already pulled out her catheter that collected urine in her bag. and with her nurse help she was urinating on her own. Being in the medical field it is not easy to urinate on your own especially after having that inside of you for years.

Before leaving for home and after sending results to this womans doctor we had confirmation... I like those testimonies.

It is not only the person , pastor , evangelist one has to watch out for..it also the people who come to want to make us look like fools. In the church I was in.. all things had to be recorded and proved.

Now for the person back there who made the statement that those who do not hear the Gospel...and dies will not go into heaven I am sorry to say this...You are wrong. But I believe God has his way of making Himself known.

I did die and had not heard the truth...The Gospel ...prayers were going up to that throne room of God asking Jesus to have Mercy on my soul for I did not know the truth. He did have Mercy..Spoke to me...I lived and awokened from a coma thirsty for The Word of God...wanting only the bible!!! patricia1

[Resting in Christ]

You can always turn off the tv/dvd/video or wlk out of the movies.

I dont like to see the Lords name taken in vain either. But its what we do about it that counts.