Hank has had it!

[stevehut]

Traveller,

If a TV or radio broadcast is your only church, that's a travesty. Any decent local church should be able to serve shut-ins in some way. They can have fellowship, they can have personal attention and instruction.

And it doesn't need to be the preacher. Every person in your church should be involved in serving others in some fashion. This is only one of dozens of ministries that my church has, and could be done by any church.

Again, I'm not anti-broadcasting. I just think it has some very dangerous built-in hazards.

Front lines? Anywhere I happen to be. Work, school, mall, etc.

[artsylady]

Talked with CRI today. They said that CRI voluntarily belongs to the EFCA which is an organization that holds ministries accountably financially. According to the person I spoke with, the likes of Benny Hinn would never think to come under this kind of organization voluntarily but CRI and many others do.

Apparantly, the article in Christianity Today (which I don't think either of the above are from) reported that yes, there were concerns and questions brought to Hank and he made the changes. He also said that at the bottom of the article, it states that the EFCA was quite happy with the changes made by CRI.

That's also probably why it didn't make it to the media. Not really a news story.

He said I was welcome to contact the EFCA which I have not done.

So, this old news (March last year I think) has obviously been written and re-written and keeps getting reposted. Someone out there is going to make sure we all know. Has this poster reposted anything else here? Hmmm. Wonder who it is?

[artsylady]

You

[stevehut]

My husband makes about 120,000. Hank Hannegraf made double that.

Does hubby need someone to shine his shoes? Wash his car? He can write to me at steve@hutson.net :whistle:

[stevehut]

Another thought: Does anyone know about this?

Is there any reason why Christian programs can't support themselves with advetising, like everyone else?

It seems to me that in many areas, churches seem to believe that they are exempt from the rules of economics that every other business has to abide by.

Broadcasting may be the exception, I dunno. I am ignorant of such things.

[waitingforhim]

Hmmm, let's see-first of all, I got this article in "christianity today"-I did think it was current-because I haven't heard about this before. Later I found that it was actually last July. This article doesn't say Hank broke any laws-it is ok to pay yourself whatever your ministry will bring I guess. I just really have a hard time with this because Hank has set himself up to be "the voice". BAM and all that-personally I feel he is another "everybodies wrong but me" preacher. I know there are many who agree with the way he cuts everyone else down, but I don't. doctrine yes, we can discuss that-but he makes it personal. Stones are constantly coming from people like hank to other Christians-especially those of the WOF (I'm not) or Pentecostal (I am). The very fact that this wasn't widely reported or discussed on most "Chrisitian forums" proves my point.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/008/6.19.html

[artsylady]

Does hubby need someone to shine his shoes? Wash his car? He can write to me at steve@hutson.net 

Actually, we can't afford those kinds of services. lol.

I didn't make my point very well. We, a family of 6 with one in university seem to always just barely make ends meet. We have a home and a mortgage and 2 cars being paid for on zero percent credit. We don't have credit card or other debt thank goodness. But my point is that we are not extravagant people by any means. I shop for the best deals I can. I shop during season changeover at stores, like right now. I got tons of great stuff for the kids for 2 bucks each 0 just because it was time to get rid of it. I mean stuff that was regularly priced at 15 to 25 bucks. Pants, shirts and some good quality stuff. I shop at the basic kind of grocery store because we can't afford the stuff at the fancy grocery stores. We have forced savings (in order not to pay taxes, which never works out quite well either) so eventually, we'll be out of debt and okay, but in the meantime, we're not living the high life - that's for sure. I'm just thinking that 250,000 a year in California for a family of 11 might be comparable to my situation - maybe. I don't know.

Anyway, does anyone know how much money Benny Hinn or Ken Copeland even make in a year??? Maybe another thread topic.

[artsylady]

Is there any reason why Christian programs can't support themselves with advetising, like everyone else?

At a secular radio station, each station brings in it's own advertisers based on the numbers of people who listen to the station. The more listeners the more money you have. You can charge more money for a 60 seconds of airtime at a larger radio station with more listeners. There are local and national advertisers. Most of the money that radio stations make, again, depends on their size of audience, comes from national advertisers - Wendy's, McDonalds - etc.

At a Christian radio stations, they don't bring in that much money because their audiences aren't as big. As well, they don't (to my knowledge) have national advertisers. I just don't think that either their audiences are big enough, or maybe they don't want to get into the 'politics' of it, but I've never heard TJ Max or Kentucky Fried Chicken ads on a Christian radio station. I'm sure any radio station would welcome such an advertiser.

Another option for a syndicated program like Hank Hannegrafs would be to get a national sponsor and that national sponsor would be broadcasted on all of Hank's shows. (Ex. The Bible Answer Man Show is brought to you by Michelin Tires. Then you'd hear a 60 second Michelin Tire ad, followed by the Bible Answer Man Show.) I'm sure Hank would jump all over it Michelin, but I don't think it's ever going to happen like that.

So, as it turns out, I believe that The Bible Answer Man show would have to PAY to be on the air.

[stevehut]

Actually, we can't afford those kinds of services.

[artsylady]

Hmmm, let's see-first of all, I got this article in "christianity today"-I did think it was current-because I haven't heard about this before.

The article you used at the top of this thread is not the same one that ran in Christianity Today.

This article doesn't say Hank broke any laws-it is ok to pay yourself whatever your ministry will bring I guess. I just really have a hard time with this because Hank has set himself up to be "the voice". BAM and all that-personally I feel he is another "everybodies wrong but me" preacher. I know there are many who agree with the way he cuts everyone else down, but I don't. doctrine yes, we can discuss that-but he makes it personal. Stones are constantly coming from people like hank to other Christians-especially those of the WOF (I'm not) or Pentecostal (I am). The very fact that this wasn't widely reported or discussed on most "Chrisitian forums" proves my point.

I have to disagree. Hank doesn't cast stones at them - their lifestyle their money - anything but their doctrines. He also makes it clear that he cannot judge their souls.

On the other hand, the WOFers seem to leave his preaching and teaching and doctrines alone, while casting stones at his lifestyle - money, etc. Just look at the way the first article you posted and the accusatory manner in which is was written... This is NOT the same article posted in Christianity Today.

How did I know you supported the WOF doctrine?

If you don't like Hank because he makes too much money fine, but check out how much Hinn makes and then decide if you also don't like Hinn because he makes WAY more money.