Magog and Armageddon

[Guest shiloh357]

The last war is the FINAL war and it means what it says that all things will be destroyed and fall as it says. God has prepared for us a new Jerusalem and will be our new home. Why is this so hard to believe!? Yes in the great quake there will be nothing left!!! That is what the word says so believe what it says or just keep questioning and let yourself be unprepared for what is coming!

With all due respect, I am not talking about "the last war." Ezekiel 38 and 39 is not "the last war." Maybe you should try harder to understand what is being argued.

[LightofJesus]

The last war is the FINAL war and it means what it says that all things will be destroyed and fall as it says. God has prepared for us a new Jerusalem and will be our new home. Why is this so hard to believe!? Yes in the great quake there will be nothing left!!! That is what the word says so believe what it says or just keep questioning and let yourself be unprepared for what is coming!

With all due respect, I am not talking about "the last war." Ezekiel 38 and 39 is not "the last war." Maybe you should try harder to understand what is being argued.

Well we are in disagreement here. The war in Ezekiel is the war of Armageddon! When you read the total devastation in this chapter you have to come to reason that it looks pretty bleak as to who could ever survive such a catastrophy. Let's just leave it at that we disagree.

[Guest shiloh357]

The last war is the FINAL war and it means what it says that all things will be destroyed and fall as it says. God has prepared for us a new Jerusalem and will be our new home. Why is this so hard to believe!? Yes in the great quake there will be nothing left!!! That is what the word says so believe what it says or just keep questioning and let yourself be unprepared for what is coming!

With all due respect, I am not talking about "the last war." Ezekiel 38 and 39 is not "the last war." Maybe you should try harder to understand what is being argued.

Well we are in disagreement here. The war in Ezekiel is the war of Armageddon! When you read the total devastation in this chapter you have to come to reason that it looks pretty bleak as to who could ever survive such a catastrophy. Let's just leave it at that we disagree.

I have already demonstrated in the OP why it is not the same war, and I have already demonstrated why there is no global earthquake in Ezekiel 38 and 39. It is regional war with a limited number of nations and not EVERY nation of the world which occurs at the war of Armageddon.

[nebula]

So . . . ummmm . . . did anyone actually read my post about why 'erets doesn't mean "planet Earth?"

And if you disagree, can you likewise do a cross-reference examination of Scripture to show that it does?

[nebula]

(for those of you who don't know.....Whirlwind is a person I have been communicating with on another forum. She is a lady of 61 years of age)

Ah - no wonder she is so sweet and polite.

[Guest shiloh357]

I have a question for shiloh: do you believe Revelation 6 and Ezekiel 38 are describing the same event and/or time during the Tribulation?

No.

[Guest shiloh357]

ok, when, in your opinion, does the Ezekiel 38 battle occur?

Some time before Daniel's 70th week.

and do you agree with me Daniel 11 describes this same battle?

Not sure, I will have to do some research.

[George]

Personally, I believe it's 2 different wars -- the Daniel 11 war proceeding the Ezekiel 38 war.

If you look at the countries MISSING from the Ezekiel 38 war -- all the Middle East countries -- Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, and Iraq -- it seems to indicate that something happened to these countries before the Gog & Magog war.

Also, if you look at the border of the south of the Gog & Magog war -- it's Libya and Ethophia -- the exact border the AntiChrist fights to in the Daniel 11 war.

Ezeziel 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

Dan 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

I honestly don't have as much time as I wish to go into this in great detail, but if you'd like me to expound on this thought send me a PM,

Another thing I might add here -- remember what Paul told the Corithian church -- "If any man knows anything, he knows NOTHING as he ought to know!" Be careful about being DOGMATIC about prophecy.

God bless,

George

[nebula]

Good to hear from you, George!

Another thing I might add here -- remember what Paul told the Corithian church -- "If any man knows anything, he knows NOTHING as he ought to know!" Be careful about being DOGMATIC about prophecy.

Good point.

[George]

Personally, I see the Daniel 11 prophecy leading into the tribulation, as it's occuring just before the beginning of what people call the Tribulation.

It's through this war, that I believe the Temple is re-established and through this war that the stage is set for the Jews to accept him at the beginning as the "messiah".

Think about what the Jews expected in the 1st century from their Messiah.

1st -- to establish the Kingdom of David here on earth -- to set up the Kingdom from the Nile to the Euphrates.

2nd -- to destroy their enemies -- at the time the Roman Empire.

It's my personal understanding that it's through this war, that Islam will come under a massive assault where the AntiChrist makes war against Islam and establishes the new border of Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates thus creating the atmosphere for the Gog and Magog war. The antichrist could say -- I've established the Kingdom of David and I've wiped out your enemies! If this were to occur, the Jews would embrace him.

Think about the connections. First in the Ezekiel 38 war it specifically says, they are living without walls, or gates.

Considering I live in Israel and about once a week I drive to Jerusalem and there's a HUGE wall all the way up through the West Bank. Something has to happen to this wall will have to be removed in order for the stage to be set up for the Ezekiel war.

How can you suddenly remove this wall? Can Islam honestly be negotiated with? So what happens to create this atmosphere? The answer SEEMS TO BE in Daniel 11. The antichrist makes war with the countries embracing Islam -- thus creating the stage for the Gog & Magog war of Ezekiel 38 since the arab countries are totally removed from the picture of the Gog & Magog war.

This would also explain the enormous wealth that Israel accumulates in the last days -- if they controlled from the Nile to the Euphrates then they would be in control of the massive oil reserves of the world. They could dictate the price of oil. Thus creating the envy and jealously needed for the Gog & Magog war. Russia with its huge oil reserves would be drawn to the region so that it could in theory control ALL the oil reserves of the world by defeating Israel.

As I said, it's my personal understanding of scripture -- take it or leave it for what it is -- a falliable man's opinion trying to make sense of multiple passages of scriptures that need to fit together perfectly in the jigsaw puzzle of prophecy.

Your brother in Christ with much agape love,

George