Alice Cooper

[godrulz]

The song is not condoning the thought of being god nor saying that this is his philosophy. He is writing about an unbeliever's ungodly philosophy. Put it is context of the rest of the album that hints at the correct way of thinking and recognizing God.

[Guest yod]

You obviously missed the point of the song there, MithyMan.

It clearly speaks about the person who doesn't think they need God because they "are" god.

How about the songs were Carman plays the part of the devil?

[Guest Mithrandir]

Same Album:

It's Much Too Late

I never kicked a dog,

A child or my wife

I never looked at pornography

I swear it on my holy saint mother's life

But somehow she's down here with me

The road to hell is littered

with nice guys with good intentions

But once you're there, you're there

It's much too late

I can cry and scream it's just not fair

To leave me here like you don't care

There must be some mistake up there in heaven

Now it's much too late

My time has passed away

All my plans and dreams have all ended

Now it's much too late

To try and plead my case

And I don't know the God I've offended

It's too late

I never stole a thing

A toy or a kiss

My conscience is a clear as can be

And when I was a teen

All the sex that I missed

Was an abstinence blessing to me

The road to hell is littered

with nice guys with good intentions

But once you're there, you're there

It's much too late

I can cry and scream it's just not fair

To leave me here like you don't care

There must be some mistake up there in heaven

Now it's much too late

My time has passed away

All my plans and dreams have all ended

Now it's much too late

To try and plead my case

And I don't know the God I've offended

It's too late

Now it's much too late

My time has passed away

All my plans and dreams have all ended

Now it's much too late

To try and plead my case

And I don't know the God I've offended

It's too late

It's much too late

Let's say this song is about unbelievers...the doctrine is messed up here. People will know why they are in hell and their conscience will not be clear...

Romans 2:14-16 " For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus."

no one will be found guiltless at the judgment seat of God. Their own conscience will accuse them. Lies, stealing, blaspheming God's holy name, dishonoring parents, hatred, lust....This song is filled with un-truth. Things that are not in the Bible, false doctrine. They will know the God they have offended and they will know why they are in hell. This song makes God sound unjust, not telling unbelievers why they are in hell. God is just, and he will tell them.

We could take any song and say, "oh this guy is just talking about other people not himself" Cooper should have said they than so as to not confuse his message. They just want to be God...

Instead of defending people, we should be defending the Bible and biblical standards...The Bible tells us how we are to live our lives and the level of purity we are to seek...the lyrics of Alice Cooper do not sound God honoring, they sound as if he understands who God is, that Jesus is the Messiah, and he believes in Satan...the demons also know these things as does Satan...We should not accept everyone who says they are a Christian and then goes out and promotes a different lifestyle than that of Christ...We should imitate Jesus. Lot's of people have said they were Christians and have fallen away. They may have believed but they were a false convert, true converts will persevere.

One last song:

I'm not a Buddha boy

I'm not a Muslim man

I'm not a Christian or a Jew

I'm not a Mormon freak

I'm not a Catholic geek

And I'm nothing at all like you

My mind, my heart, my soul is calm

While I sit here sauteriing my c-2 bomb

Got some wires crossed

In my twisted head

Connect the green wire here or was it red?

Cause it's my fate

I operate on hate

I go by many other names

But now

I am the sentinel

I want the world to know

I'm sending you all to hell

I'm tired and I'm wired here to blow

There's something disturbing

Going on in my turban

I'm home, home on de/the range

I feel my meditation so deep within

While my medication's kicking in

Cause it's my fate

I operate on hate

I go by many other names

But now

I am the sentinel

I want the world to know

I'm sending you all to hell

I'm tired and I'm wired here to blow

I am the sentinel

I want the world to know

I'm sending you all to hell

I'm tired and I'm wired here to blow

Mark 8:38 "For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels."

Luke 9:26 "For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels."

2 Timothy 2:15 "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. "

Why can't he praise the Lord of all Creation instead of writing these songs? How are these songs going to get people to become Christians? These songs are filled with hate, "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." John 13:35

Mithrandir

[nebula]

Same Album:

It's Much Too Late

I never kicked a dog,

A child or my wife

I never looked at pornography

I swear it on my holy saint mother's life

But somehow she's down here with me

The road to hell is littered

with nice guys with good intentions

But once you're there, you're there

It's much too late

I can cry and scream it's just not fair

To leave me here like you don't care

There must be some mistake up there in heaven

Now it's much too late

My time has passed away

All my plans and dreams have all ended

Now it's much too late

To try and plead my case

And I don't know the God I've offended

It's too late

I never stole a thing

A toy or a kiss

My conscience is a clear as can be

And when I was a teen

All the sex that I missed

Was an abstinence blessing to me

The road to hell is littered

with nice guys with good intentions

But once you're there, you're there

It's much too late

I can cry and scream it's just not fair

To leave me here like you don't care

There must be some mistake up there in heaven

Now it's much too late

My time has passed away

All my plans and dreams have all ended

Now it's much too late

To try and plead my case

And I don't know the God I've offended

It's too late

Now it's much too late

My time has passed away

All my plans and dreams have all ended

Now it's much too late

To try and plead my case

And I don't know the God I've offended

It's too late

It's much too late

I don't know. . . .

Sounds to me like he's saying that good deeds / being a "good person" aren't going to get you into Heaven.

And I don't know the God I've offended

What's the problem?

[nebula]

Why can't he praise the Lord of all Creation instead of writing these songs? How are these songs going to get people to become Christians? These songs are filled with hate, "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." John 13:35

Ephesians 5:11

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

Cause it's my fate

I operate on hate

I go by many other names

But now

I am the sentinel

I want the world to know

I'm sending you all to hell

I'm tired and I'm wired here to blow

I don't see the message of: "I am promoting this";

I see, "This is what these guys are really about." I see that he is showing that hate is the motive behind the people who do these things, not the "noble" agendas some of them claim to have. (Didn't McVey claim to have a noble agenda - exposing the governement for what is was or someting like that? But no, it is just hate and there is no justification for it.)

[Guest yod]

Alice Cooper has never promoted himself as a preacher, evangelist, theologian, or teacher. I would guess he keeps the name Alice Cooper for the same reasons christians keep the name "Easter" though it is the name of the goddess of fertility. It's the word people associate with his face.

He's a rock and roll singer who has been changed by the mercy of Christ. Give him a break, ok?

He's taken a public position for Christ and we should have enough grace to take him at his word until he's given a really good reason not to. Your criticism has done nothing to change my mind about him...but I'm starting to wonder about you. Maybe he's "doing it" differently than you would but I have never heard him say a critical word about how other christians "do it"

You have no idea what his particular battle is. If you want to be constructive you could start to pray for him anytime.

[Guest Mithrandir]

So where do Alice and Vince meet? Is there any common ground in your subconscious?

No. The only thing I know about Alice that's for sure is that he hates golf. I would never put a golf club near Alice because he'd kill somebody with it. To him, everything's a weapon.

But still, after all these years you've never "met" him?

Oh, in the old days, yeah, when I was drinking. You have to remember who I was trained by. My best friends were Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Keith Moon, Janis Joplin. I was the new kid on the block, and they were my big brothers. Every time John Lennon would get in a fight with Yoko, he'd come to L.A. and we had a club called the Hollywood Vampires. It was a drinking club. And he would end up with us, because we were all drunk every night. All the stuff was just insane. And it was back in the days when all that was just an everyday event.

This second question is answered with Vincents "pre Christian" days so I am not using this as evidence against him. What he does do is avoid the question about Alice Cooper, the demon. In interviews in some of these posts here, Alice speaks of himself in the third person...

Look, what I am trying to do is not condemn this man, what disturbs me is a guy who is living a life that is not an imitation of Christ and Christians support him. We should be supporting the Bible, "Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. " Ephesians 4:29

The message of Alice "promoting this" comes from his use of "I" "I wanna be God" "I operate on hate" "I am not a Christian"

We need to stop calling everyone a Christian just because they say they are one. If he wants to expose these evil deeds then why doesnt he say "they" or "you".

And why does he keep the name of the demon? I have to find the Rolling Stones article, or Spin or whatever it was, He said a demon told him if he were to name himself and his band after the demon then he would make him famous...Satan appears as an angel of light, take things with a grain of salt and measure everything against the standard of God's Holy Word.

"Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. Behold, I have told you in advance." Matthew 24:23-25

Satan is a deciever and a liar, music is a very powerful instrument of God and Satan, it affects us more than we think. Just think about it, are you defending this man because you do not want to give up your music? Or do you defend his lifestyle and his silent "witness", if he cared about the lost he would be telling them what they need to hear instead of describing them, as so many people here say. If we accept everyone who says they are a Christian and defend their strange ways then false doctrines will pervade the church even more so. The antichrist could decieve even the elect if it were possible. There is a reason scripture says this. Satan has had thousands of years to decieve mankind, and he is still doing it. Test every spirit and see if it is from God. Are we living our lives the way Christ tells us to, or defending our actions so we don't feel guilty?

Mithrandir

[godrulz]

Is this like Job or Ecclesiates where the writers share their wrong, human thoughts and perspectives? Is Cooper putting words in the generic unbeliever or seeker as an illustration of despair, but not saying these things are true or valid? Is he an artist conveying the mindset of the lost? Does he not have other songs on the album that convey truth and hope?

Not every song has to be about Jesus to have bridge building effect. Someday he may put out a worship album for a different target audience. We cannot judge his heart and motives without more knowledge. I trust he is more overt and truthful in the right settings and takes advantage of opportunities to explicitly share the Gospel.

Even in his non-Christian days, his persona and shows were theatrical without a hidden occult agenda. This may even be true of Black Sabbath, though I think they probably did have occult connections. As a Christian, Cooper retains a stage persona, but it should be without compromise. I would not confuse his theatrics with what he is like in real life (apparently down to earth, wholesome, and trying to live out a Christian life). We cannot divorce public and private life, but I would be slower to nit pick every word or action without first hand knowledge.

[Guest yod]

And why does he keep the name of the demon?

do you celebrate Easter?

[Guest Mithrandir]

No, I celebrate the resurection of my Lord and Savior, Jesus, the Messiah.

This is about what scripture teaches and Alice is not advocating the truth. The friends of Job spoke with empty words, and the Bible records these statements...the statements are not true, but the Bible records truly what was said.